I ordered a TC black diamond with a camo stock last week. I am still waiting for it to get here. I found it on bass pro for $199. It was about $350 everywhere else. This is going to be my first muzzleloader so I can't give advice about the ones that you asked about. I just wanted to suggest that you check bass pro for prices on the gun you decide to get. They had some other good deals as well.

Can't help you on those in-lines, I've always been traditional.

wheres the the competion whats the joy of getting 200 yards from a big bull screaming at you . i hunted with my muzzle loader this september i was as close as 30 feet to many bulls they were screaming at me now thats a feeling makes your hair stand up.i spent 7 days hunting now if i had a inline hunt would of been over in 2 hours not my idea of a hunt or an adventure i dont consider them in my class

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Congrats bigracks. I agree. I shot 2 doe saturday, the one Sat. morning was shot at 18yds. and Sat. evening shot one at 25yds.. Never have taken one past 50yds., I like em in close.

I also have a t/c black diamond great gun I love it. It has never failed me yet the encore is also a great gun I would say go for t/c

I have been looking at CVA break downs. Any thoughts on them?

i have a winchester apex .50 it shoots good