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Wow from some of these comments I would think that Bitmasher, Quicksilver and Rather_Be_Huntin must have seen a man resisting arrest rather than a man laying on the ground getting the crud beat outta himself when watching the Rodney King Video !!

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Rodney King, correct me if I’m wrong, was an individual that resisted arrest which lead to his brutal beating. JTapia, your point being?

Quicksilver, you just made my point.
Perhaps in your blind rage you just didn't see the green smiley with the huge grin at the end of my Rodney King quote. Am I to take your comment about poaching Mismary seriously? Do you in fact intend to poach Mismary? That may just be a crime itself. What are you so uptight about ? You need to take your own signature advice there buddy and not be so serious all the time.
Also if you would read these previous comments posted here by me you would know that what you just typed is what I have said from the beggining about Mr. Gustafson, He is just an ordinary criminal now. I also stated that it is the PRECIEVED special treatment that has everyone ire here and NOT so much the poaching. Precieved meaning " looks like he got". You need to get an education boy, cause I dont have the time to sit here and spell everything out for you.

Mr. Rather_be_huntin, I apologize for the smart-mouthed cop comment. There is no excuse for me saying that to you. It was a knee jerk reaction and I am sorry.

Your quote however is not entirely as you wrote it. There was quite the gap between your comment about jails being full and you having to let folks go that should rightly be arrested.
As noted to Quicksilver above there was a big green grinning smiley at the end of that Rodney King thing. I assumed that everyone here knew that meant humor. I guess I was mistaken.
The anology was just how people can look at the exact same thing and draw such opposite conclusions and certainly not a cop thing.
Yep sir I wash them lil toesys everyday, powder them too. Not that I'll be tasting them anytime soon.

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Thank you Professor JTapia... I didn't realize how hilarious beating a man to near death could be?

I blame it on my education... I should have known!

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Thats funny.........I have a PhD in 4th grade!!

I didn't realize that threatening to poach someone just because they might not chose things as you see them was OK to say!!

I'm not angry, I am just takin some jibs and jabs atcha.

I did however catch a few Hammerhead Sharks this past weekend while fishing for Speckled Trout.

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Settle down, settle down.
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I believe a man with a badge should be held to a higher standard, why?
Because he took and oath to up hold the law,
When they put on a uniform they take on the role of protecting all of us and what we see as the enforcers of right and wrong
I would most certainly hope that the person walking into my camp with a 9 MM on his /her hip has a little more going on then the guy at MD who cant get my DR pepper in the cup.

It’s a sad day when we start giving enforcement officer no more responsibility for their actions then a Mc D employee.
Also I been looking and I just cant seem to find where the law stipulates that there is a difference in a police officer committing a crime with a fire arm and an average citizen. Can you pleas point me to the federal law that excludes them from firearm violations?
I don’t even see anything excluding poaching all I can find is “ the use of a fire arm while committing a crime?

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JTapia, I took the Rodney King comment the wrong way too (I read it yesterday). I was kind of suprised since I've found most of your posts to be easy going and humorous.
Your dialog with RatherBe is a pretty good example of how a few misplaced (or misunderstood) words can mean the difference between war and peace.

I thought the smilie was for sarcasm, which made me kind of mad (as mad as one can get from these informal boards which on a scale of 1-10 ranks about 0.5), since I in no way support excessive police force. Actually I tend to believe that officers should try to do better since invariably their the ones packing deadly force and not the accused.

I think 99% of cops are good folks (based on my experience), but you have a "airplane crash" effect here where only the most heinous use of force gets spotlighted for public consumption. This invariably leads to mistrust even if it isn't warranted (of cops and airlines). Based on your post earlier it sounds like you found yourself in a situation where you fell in with this 1% of bad cops. If this is true, I hope they get some of what they have been dishing out someday. I didn't comment on your story in previous posts, because I failed to see any correlation between Heath and your incident, other than a general mistrust of cops.

Mismary, while I could belabor this thread some more and debate the semantics about what is true, misleading, or false; I'll just say that I find your proposed sentence acceptable. The only quibble I have is perhaps the elimination of the jail time (assuming no prior record) and go longer on the hunting license suspension (regardless of record).

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Bitmasher, thank you for your candid comments. As you noted I am one of the most easy going folks I know and am rarely serious unless I am at work.
I do sometimes fail to realize that my humorous tone and well meaning jabs do not translate very well over the type written computer screen.
I have already apologized to Mr. RatherBe as he did not deserve my comments.

I would also extend to you and Quicksilver an apology for offending you on the Rodney King comment. It had nothing to do with Rodney King or Police force but simpley to show how differently people interpet what they see when watching the same video as related to the sometimes heated differing views about this thread subject.

Yes I have had several bad experiences with bad cops but I certainly dont hold EVERY cop responsible, however the mistrust is there. I DID commit a crime but felt that in order to protect my family I had no choice when the police refused to intervene. The scum bag and his crew came to me and all I did was not give in to their terror tactics and gave them what they came to give me for disrupting their drug trade.

It is my opinion that being a LEO is probably one of the most thankless and difficult jobs around and anyone who choses that line of work deserves respect however respect is earned and you cannot get it if you dont give it.
That being said, I agree with captche all the way. An oath is taken in which you promise to uphold the laws, in Gods name and a public trust is bestowed upon you when you take that oath and put on that badge. Average Joe does not take an oath nor does he have that trust bestowed upon him. To say that a LEO doesn't carry more responsibility to uphold the law and therefor his burden for breaking those laws should be the same as the average Joe is just wrong. We expect more out of our wives than the hooker on the street corner, why? They are both just women. Why?, because she took an oath before God to us thats why.

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JTapia, it is extremely hard to convey tone over the net. The thing is I haven't gotten in a good arguement in a while so I was kinda hoping we were gonna go at it for a little while. :smile:

Seriously though, no hard feelings.

A law enforcement officer should be held to a higher standard. If he demonstrates he can not handle the trust and responsibility then he should never hold a law enforcement position again, at the very least. But that starts the arguement of where do you draw that line? Felony vs. misdeamor? Certainly a cop shouldn't be kicked of the force for a minor speeding ticket. They are not even charged anymore than a "civilian". So where is that line? The line where an officer loses job and is punished more harshly.

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Since I have not been on the boards here for awhile I find something pretty wild. I started reading threw the posts here and I really dont care what others wrote or what they said. Here is my 2 cents.
I for one did not like the fact that an officer got caught poaching. Especially the way I read the article. Being on duty and all. I had a situation with my ex wife and a deputy. Kinda a wierd thing to be brought up but I got a deputies job because instead of whipping his butt I just went straight to the sheriff. I told him of the facts and had another officer as a witness and the sheriff fired him on the spot. This is what the sheriff told me and I totally agree with him and some might and some might not agree. The sheriff said that officers or people that work for the government represent the people which is us. If the officers or the government do something wrong then they should be held more accountable than the people because we the people put our trust in them to know what is right and what is wrong. They are being entrusted to do the right thing. So to hear about this is wild because I think a judgement call here should of been totally different. I do know that people make mistakes in judgement as this officer did. I am not saying that he should get more than what the law states but he should have a eye opener because the people did entrust this officer with following and leading others to abide by the laws of any state. I am sure he is remoresful of his actions as anyone would be that got caught.
Only a couple things caught my eye about what I read in the newspaper article and responses from some on here.
(1) Is what caused this officer to shoot the animal? Did he see it pass in front of him on the road and he couldn't help himself? or was he riding around on wintering ground looking with his light for big bucks? For one they are on wintering ground and looking for food.
(2) Why before they decided what happened why they didnt score the buck before determining felony or misdemeanor? Couldn't the other officer tell it was a big buck?
(3) If he was looking for meat or whatever why shoot a big ol buck? Actually never said what the buck scored. But from what it suggested was a trophy buck.
I also know that just by losing his job or resigning his county job doesn't make what happened right. A law is a law no matter who does break it. If the speed limit is 55 and I am going 56 then it is my fault for getting a ticket. I have had speeding tickets and never have gotten mad over any of them.
So I just hope the ex officer gets everything anyone else would get.
Only bad thing with what has happened is that any case the officer was invovled in before this date can get overturned because of his credibility now. Not all but some can.
This is my 2 cents worth.

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No apology necessary here JTapia, but thanks anyway.

well meaning jabs do not translate very well over the type written computer screen.

Yeah, it happens. A good example for me is here. My comment is at the end of page, then look at the response (three weeks later) on the next page.

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These are very good questions, Supersider... We think alike!

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(1) Is what caused this officer to shoot the animal? Did he see it pass in front of him on the road and he couldn't help himself? or was he riding around on wintering ground looking with his light for big bucks? For one they are on wintering ground and looking for food.

(2) Why before they decided what happened why they didnt score the buck before determining felony or misdemeanor? Couldn't the other officer tell it was a big buck?

(3) If he was looking for meat or whatever why shoot a big ol buck? Actually never said what the buck scored. But from what it suggested was a trophy buck.
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I don't know that we'll ever get any factual, comprehensive answers beyond small-town gossip.

I just hope whoever made the call to 9-11 gets the reward offered by our local CAP organization.

I decided against an Online Petition because it's virtually impossible for me to raise the questions without injecting derogatory bias.

Naples is "remote, backwoods Country". I know this because I live here.

Heath's Sentencing WILL be interesting, though. lol...I'll start a new topic, as I see this one is already designated ON FIRE.
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