These posts are about opinions and my opinions are based on my own experiences. I too have a long past as a trainer, AKC field trial judge, NSTRA judge and giving classes in obedience and field work. I am one of the origional AKC pointing dog tests judges in the north west. My experience covers retrievers, spaniels and pointing dogs, primarly pointing dogs. I am not searching the web sites looking for dogs to train, I don't do outside dogs anymore. If I wanted to go back into training, I have to many people to work for to concern myself with searching web sites.

Far to many pros make a living giving advice that while true to a point, gets them pup's young.They start the pup's, turn them back to owners that don't continue properly and end up taking the pups back every year for problem fixing. I hope your not one of them.

So I welcome your coment's and opinions but don't expect me to be overwhelmed if I believe your wrong. I tried your e-mail deal hoping it would put me into a web site. Maybe you don't have one, I don't either. I don't know if you can do personnel messages on this site or not but, you can on "graybeardoutdoors" And I'll be glad to discuss things of this nature in private with you. I'm quite certain that a good many people put a lot of stock in what you say. If it's fool proof you should not worry about anything I or anyone else would have to say. When I give training tip's or suggestions, I'll also give reasons for why I feel that way and at times examples when they suit.

By the way, you'll find my real name on EVERY web site I participate in on the internet. There is plenty of room for honest opinion and discussion. People are generally not stupid and can figure out what works, what doesn't and what's reasonable! For the rest of the people here, my opinion's are my own. If they help you I'm glad. In the end, you'll decide what you want and how to get there. Feel free to disagree.

Don

One thing on the browsing at the retriever site, it is under classifieds, these are dogs at this level at the age of 2, not starting at this age, just so there is no confusion. If you guys don't understand some of the initials, as to what the dog is doing, be more than happy to explain, Thanks Jonesy This might help you understand my confusion.

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