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I plan on taking my 7 year old hunting next year. If he can pass the hunter saftey coarse. I have a friend who gives the class and says he should be able to pass it. We have been shooting a 22lr single shot at the range and he is learning how to hit his target quite well. I'll be moving him up to a 223 soon. He must be able to learm to shoot that gun well enough to make a vitals shot before I will allow him to go to the woods with me. I am confident he will be able to do it by next year. Ok I know there is probably about half of you who wants to shoot me right now...You probably think I'm a nut for letting such a young boy even look at a gun much less shoot one. Well what I haven't told you is that he is supervised 100% of the time. When we go hunting together its going to be for his benifit of hunting not mine. In other words I'm the coach and instructor and he is supervised 100% of the time. I won't even take a gun to the field I'll just be there to help the boy out. Also it will be still hunting only in an area on private land that we only will be hunting on. As his maturely level grows I'll give him a little more space maybe 12-14 until I fell he is 100% safe. I think if you teach them young about guns and safety your just that much more likey to have a safe huntin experience. My 6 year old son probably knows more about gun safety right now than most 16 year olds that are hunting today.

OK .....Throw your firey darts

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First off I don't really agree with using dogs for deer hunting. Unless it is for trailing a wouded deer after all other trailing methods have been exhausted. As for the 10 year old with a rifle while doing a drive. BAD IDEA a spilt-second decision is hard enough with an experienced hunter let alone a kid.

As for you fear I think its great that you are getting your son envolved at such a young age (I believe thats what it takes now days as to keep there interest in hunting instead of getting into all the video games and what not). However I would like to warn you to not rush things and NO DRIVES for several years. Don't let your pride out weigh the safety. I'm not trying to preach I just want you to be careful. I hate hearing stories like the one about the 10 year old shooting the 13 year old. That in my opinion is a lack of supervision. Although It doesn't sound like lack of supervision is going to ever be a problem in your case.

Good luck to you and your son both.

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"Teach your kids to hunt and you won't have to hunt for your kids" Ted Nugent
I'd give mine a gun over a play station any day.

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i've never liked the idea of drive hunts. to me it seems lazy, and not really hunting at all, because all you do is wait while the animal is driven toward you, so you can kill it, and go home with your trophy. to me it's up their with baiting deer.

ha, ok, now y'all are probably gonna scream but: i started hunting when i was 5 (squirrels, then 'yotes and so on...mostly varmit animals). by then i was already a crack shot, knew all the safety stuff, and could clean my own kills, along with my gun. i started taking a rifle with me to check fence alone by the time i was 10. i was the only one who had the time to go out. my grandfather and uncle worked during the day-there is no sense in checking fence when it's starting to get dark; by the time you got back to the spot that needs fixed, the livestock will have already gotten out- my grandmother couldn't get too far from the house because she took care of my great grandmother, and my brother had (has) the coordination of a one legged spider, and my parents had left when i was 2. i took the hunters safety course when i was 15. slept though most of the course and still passed with out missing a single question on the test. where i'm from it's not uncommon for really young kids to go hunting. even in the post columbine world. but not all young people can handle the responsibility that comes with handling a firearm. and that's when problems start sad the incident with the kids was avoidable. but without knowing more, i can't begin to try to lay blame on anyone. there are too many questions. like "why did the adult alow them to walk one in front of the other, with loaded guns?" were the adults paying attention to the kids, or were they enjoying some adult conversation? had the kids been arguing? horsing around?

hunting is a sport, but it's not a game. you screw up playing baseball and you lose the game, you screw up hunting and someone's prolly going to go to the hospital.

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Totally agree.

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I have waited to reply to these post out of respect for the family's of the 2 boys involved in the accident that resulted in the death of the 13 year old boy.
I know these families personally. I went to school with the 10 year olds father and know the 13 year olds grand father. My oldest daughters best friends' husband was there that terrible morning, in fact it was his truck that transported the fatally wounded boy out of the woods to a waiting ambulance. It is his recounts to me that I will post here to set the story straight and try and refute some of the false information and accusations flying around about what happened there.
First let me say that each of these boys have been hunting with their fathers since before they could walk with the 13 year old actually going while strapped in the car seat !!! These families are an example of many here, mine included, that Hunt together and start the youngsters out as soon as the season starts and the kids are outta their Mommy's belly. I killed my first deer when I was 9 years old, and yes, it was a deer in front of the dogs. I wont get into the dog hunt good/bad discussion here...I have already expressed my views on that subject elsewhere on this forum.
Now on to the facts... The party was hunting on their lease in an area called "the sand hills" where there are 100's of spring fed lakes of all sizes and most of the land is owned by timber companies. 2 bucks were wounded during the morning race and they had been spotted laying down just a few dozen yards from each other. The boys fathers decided to let the boys finish off the 2 deer with their 22LR rifles....not a 22 MAG...if the boy had been shot with a 22 MAG or any other rifle he would still be alive today. After dispatching the first deer my daughters friends husband started to drag the deer up the hill to the road while the 2 boys and their fathers went on to where the other deer was laying down. According to the 10 year olds dad they stopped about 50 ft from the downed deer and told the boys, who were standing in front of their fathers, to ease on up a couple more feet and shoot the deer when they had a clear shot. The 13 year old was slightly ahead and to the right of the 10 year old when they both shot, the deer jumped up and started down the hill and the 13 year old started to run after the fleeing deer just as the 10 year old shot a second shot at the deer. This is when he crossed into the line of fire of the 10 year olds shot, striking him in the shoulder, not the back, at a slight angle but enough of an angle for the bullet to strike his bone and ricochet into his chest cavity and proceed to bounce around inside the boy destroying his lungs. Luckily the young man never knew he was shot and passed on in less than 2 mins. After the shot he just started dancing around and told his father that his back was burning and then immediately fell to the ground and passed on with his father holding him. I wont describe the graphic description of him dying from a lung injured gunshot wound that this father had to witness along with the others there that were trying to desperately save this boys life.
No laws were broken here, No charges were filed by the authorities, so saying that this Man should be locked up is completely outta line. It is statements such as this that fuels the anti hunters and not a hunting accident involving young men or the running of deer dogs.
Avoidable hunting accident.? yes, any accident is avoidable, however it was the enthusiasm and excitement of a young man that caused his death and you shouldn't take that away from him just try and control it. It was also that enthusiasm and not a lack of parental control or supervision that caused this accident although there are certainly things that, in hind-sight, I am sure that the fathers and others will find that couldda, shouldda been done .

The boys were not running wildly thru the woods shooting 22 MAGs at a deer.
The boys were not shooting at a running deer in front of a pack of dogs with others in the hunting party "in close proximity".
The boys were supervised by their fathers with them being less that 10 ft away when the fatal shot was fired.
The boys fathers broke no laws.
The boys fathers were not charged with any crime.
The boys fathers should not be put away for an accident.
Folks should get the facts before they go around and trash a good family man who just buried his 13 year old son.

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JTapia, I'm so sorry for this boy's family. It truly is a tragedy. I feel for the 10 year old that shot his friend. He must be devastated.

Thank you for sharing the details.

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JTapia,
My deepest sympathy goes out to you, your friends and the families of these 2 boys. You are 100% correct in that we should hold our tongues untill we know the details. I have edited my post and I will try not to jump to conclusions so quickly in the future. It is a reminder that an accident or tragedy of this magnatude can happen to anyone.

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JTapia
Aswell my deepest sympathy goes out to your family and friends. I'm glad there was someone on here who new the facts of the accident. I just hope that others will learn from this accident and maybe it could be avoided in the future.

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A heart felt thank you to all of you for your condolences. I will relay them to both boys families.

I realize from the news accounts published that there were many opportunities to draw the wrong conclusions, they were just not accurate or in some cases inflammatory and biased against the hunting practice of having kids present with loaded firearms in hand and the Dog hunting debate.

cowgal, yes the 10 year old is extremely distraught, he has not spoken a word since the accident except to say he was sorry. He is currently receiving the help that he needs along with the 13 year olds father who, by the way, has laid no ill blame on this 10 year old boy.

I did not attend the funeral however my daughter did. She said that his casket was lined in a camo pattern that he had his favorite camo ball cap on along with his camo coveralls that he had just gotten for this season. Hunting and the outdoors was a huge part of this young mans life and it almost seems appropriate that he died doing what he loved to do so much, of course he should have been given the opportunity to enjoy it so much longer. Enjoy all your moments with your loved ones and yourself, you just never know.

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