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moderator Moderator

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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: Gray Wolf Back on Threatened Species List |
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Gray Wolf Back on Threatened Species List
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Whelland Moderator/Sportsman

Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 631 Location: Kingston, MI
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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 With an estimated population of 2,921 wolves and surpassing the federal delisting goal of approximately 1400, this just doesn't make any sense. The sustained stability of Minnesota's wolf population should certainly be enough evidence to warrant delisting. This is just another fine example of caving to the environmentalist agenda. Why are there so many people that are unwilling to acknowledge scientific data? _________________ On the 8th day God created whitetails and bowhunting. |
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pangolin Sportsman

Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 434
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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 I don't think they've caved to environmentalists etc.
One judge who is not a scientist ruled that he didn't think high populations in one area but not in the remaining 95% of the area that used to be wolf territory, constituted recovery. And he thought the process hadn't been reviewed enough.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/w.....28509.html
Obama has a history recently of not caving to environmentalists especially on hunting and endangered species etc. Remember the cary rule in National Parks and the delisting in Montana, and Idaho. I suspect you are seeing more of a respect for following the proper procedures of the law. The US Fish and Wildlife Service will appeal, scientists will testify, and a higher court will rule, more than likely in favor of delisting I'd bet.
The Obama administration seems to wish to leave all matters like these, up to Secretary of the Interior Salazar, scientists, and judges. Obama has very little in his personal background and made an effort when choosing Sec of Interior to find someone who understood these issues. Salazar is a rancher from Colorado who hunts. Not to say they will advocate one way or another, but that they will allow science and facts to speak for themselves.
States have a very good track record with animals. I would'nt be suprised if ultimately wolf populations are kept at desired levels using hunting, the same as other large predators. |
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cowgal Moderator/Bull Whacker

Joined: 10 Mar 2002 Posts: 1562 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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 I'm with Whelland, this judge is being ridiculous. Over double the goal for delisting and the judge reverses the delisting ruling? Guess scientific data just doesn't matter in some cases. I'm sorry, but something just isn't right here. The state should be managing those wolves now.
Looks like its time to implement SSS. _________________ 'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
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expatriate Bull Whacker

Joined: 26 Oct 2002 Posts: 2720 Location: Alaska
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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 That's right -- science doesn't matter. What matters is belief, not facts. We've been watching the same thing up here with polar bears -- populations higher than they've been in decades, and yet they got listed.
As for wolves...the limit here is five between 10 August and 31 May.  |
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