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clearwaterart
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Location: Lewiston ID
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 Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: Here is my opion, what yours? |
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This is just to get some conversations going. I want to go to Africa realy bad, According to my wife it should be possible in 2-3 years. I have several friends who have been and or want to go. We always talk about what we would like to hunt, as in a realistic top ten list, not a dream list (you know where money is no question). So basicaly here is my list and it is in order of desire.
1. Sable (native not from South Africa)
2. Nyala
3. Roan
4. Gemsbuck
5. Kudu
6. Sitatunga
7. Buffalo
8. bushbuck
9. Eland
10. Waterbuck
What would your top ten be, and try to be realistic becuase I think we would all like to get a bongo but who can Afford it?
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hunter777
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Lion, Leopard, Blue beast, Baboon, Buffalo, Hyena, Croc, Hippo, Kudu, but more than anything else I want to kill a warthog with my bow....after I pick a fight with him and make him charge  |
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RifleandReel
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Joined: 31 Oct 2005
Posts: 27
Location: South Africa
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Here is my opion, what yours? |
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| clearwaterart wrote: | This is just to get some conversations going. I want to go to Africa realy bad, According to my wife it should be possible in 2-3 years. I have several friends who have been and or want to go. We always talk about what we would like to hunt, as in a realistic top ten list, not a dream list (you know where money is no question). So basicaly here is my list and it is in order of desire.
1. Sable (native not from South Africa)
2. Nyala
3. Roan
4. Gemsbuck
5. Kudu
6. Sitatunga
7. Buffalo
8. bushbuck
9. Eland
10. Waterbuck
What would your top ten be, and try to be realistic becuase I think we would all like to get a bongo but who can Afford it? |
Based on my experience the following species are in the top 10 as far as US clients go:
1. Leopard
2. Buffalo
3. Baboon
4. Warthog
5. Kudu
6. Impala
7. Gemsbok
8. Bushbuck
9. Nyala
10. Blue Wildebeest
Most clients do not book a buff or leopard for their first trip though |
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RifleandReel
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Joined: 31 Oct 2005
Posts: 27
Location: South Africa
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Here is my opion, what yours? |
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| clearwaterart wrote: | This is just to get some conversations going. I want to go to Africa realy bad, According to my wife it should be possible in 2-3 years. I have several friends who have been and or want to go. We always talk about what we would like to hunt, as in a realistic top ten list, not a dream list (you know where money is no question). So basicaly here is my list and it is in order of desire.
1. Sable (native not from South Africa)
2. Nyala
3. Roan
4. Gemsbuck
5. Kudu
6. Sitatunga
7. Buffalo
8. bushbuck
9. Eland
10. Waterbuck
What would your top ten be, and try to be realistic becuase I think we would all like to get a bongo but who can Afford it? |
Based on my experience the following species are in the top 10 as far as US clients go:
1. Leopard
2. Buffalo
3. Baboon
4. Warthog
5. Kudu
6. Impala
7. Gemsbok
8. Bushbuck
9. Nyala
10. Blue Wildebeest
Most clients do not book a buff or leopard for their first trip though |
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DUGABOY1
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Joined: 04 Jun 2006
Posts: 141
Location: USA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Here is my opion, what yours? |
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| clearwaterart wrote: | This is just to get some conversations going. I want to go to Africa realy bad, According to my wife it should be possible in 2-3 years. I have several friends who have been and or want to go. We always talk about what we would like to hunt, as in a realistic top ten list, not a dream list (you know where money is no question). So basicaly here is my list and it is in order of desire.
1. Sable (native not from South Africa)
2. Nyala
3. Roan
4. Gemsbuck
5. Kudu
6. Sitatunga
7. Buffalo
8. bushbuck
9. Eland
10. Waterbuck
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Your list would be in a little different order, if it were mine!
#1Cape Buffalo
#2 Nyala, just like you
#3 Gemsbok
#4 Eland
#5 Sititunga
#6 bushbuck
#7 Waterbuck
#8 Kudu
#9 Sable
#10 Roan
That is the order of desireability for YOUR list, to me. However the whole list would be differen't for me.
My top ten would be:
#1 Elephant bull
#2 Lion
#3 Cape Buffalo.....already have several
#4 Leopard
#5 Black Rhino
#6 Hippo......already have
#7 Croc
#8 Bush Pig
#9 Wart Hog.......already have
#10 Cookson's wildebeast.......already have
#11 Eland.......already have
#12 Puku .......already have
#13 Zebra.......already have
#14 Gemsbok
#15 Black Wildebeast
# 16, through #50...............all the Cape Buffalo I could muster before I die
I don't have the cats or the Elephant, simply because I can't leave the Buffalo alone long enough the hunt them, of course the cost of hunting the Ele, and Lion are going through the roof, for an old retired man on a fixed income! 
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hunter777
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Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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"for an old retired man on a fixed income! "
Yeah, and we feel bad for you too!
Shoot the elephant with a camera. |
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DUGABOY1
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Posts: 141
Location: USA
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| hunter777 wrote: | "for an old retired man on a fixed income! "
Yeah, and we feel bad for you too!
Shoot the elephant with a camera. |
??????????????????????????????? Frankly the post quoted here puzzels me!  I'd like a little more information as to the meaning of this response! 
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hunter777
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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You can't too bad off. Hunting buffalo in Africa and all.
I think the elephant is the most impresive animal a trophy room could ever have and I like them the most but I don't think I could ever kill one. Unless of course it was about to rototil me or one of my friends. I didn't mean anything bad by my comment. I couldn't afford to hunt an elephant either but I would love to do an African safari and just see and take pictures of everything. While I'm there I will take a warthog  |
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DUGABOY1
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| hunter777 wrote: | You can't too bad off. Hunting buffalo in Africa and all.
I think the elephant is the most impresive animal a trophy room could ever have and I like them the most but I don't think I could ever kill one. Unless of course it was about to rototil me or one of my friends. I didn't mean anything bad by my comment. I couldn't afford to hunt an elephant either but I would love to do an African safari and just see and take pictures of everything. While I'm there I will take a warthog |
Hunter777, we don't always have the income we once had at my age! This is the case with me! You see I retired after 31 years with American Airlines. That association with a world class airline, and the army, gave me a chance to hunt in places where I wouldn't have otherwise been able to on my pay. I've been retired almost 11 years, and believe me, the income ain't what it used to be.
As far as shooting Elephant, there is no difference between the elephant and the warthog, they both die when shot, and both are pleantiful to the point of being a detrement to their own habitat, and the well being of all other wildlife that depends on that habitat to exist, including the people who must depend on crops to stay alive. Right now there PAC hunts for elephant so as to thin their numbers, because they are over populated in most of their range.
It is strange to me the people who buy into the news media's crap on populations of animals in places where they have never been, and are simply led by the nose the slop trough of "EVERYTHING IS GOING EXTINCT". The African leopard is so thick in all of southern Africa, they are like coyotes in this country, yet the media, and animal rights folks have painted a picture of doom, around the leopard, that is pure smoke and mirrors! In the Luangwa Valley of Zambia, I saw three leopard in broad daylight in seven days hunting. Leopard are nocturnal, and for every one you see in the day, there are 50 you don't.
This misinformation is especially bad, when repeted on hunting forums, where young hunters will spread the media's "SKY IS FALLING"lies as gospel.
The fact is, the Safari hunter is the salvation of all African game, including Elephant. If the wild life there is not given a dollar value, then he will be removed, in favor of scrony cattle, and the plow! Once the land is turned by the plow, it will never again be populated by wildlife. The CAMP FIRE progarm in Zimbabwe, is an example of a working game management. The very high cost in trophy fees, and low quotas, placed on things like Elephant, guarintees the people who live in the same habitat as the elephant of a portion of the income generated by the hunting, along with day employeement, and are given all the meat. I personally put 4000 lbs of smoked Biltong (African jerky) into a starving Zambian village of 1500 hungry folks, in four days of hunting, back in 1992. You think a vulture can strip a skeleton, you should see hungry Africans. This fact is what stops poaching, because the African, hunts only for food or pay. If he doesn't have to take up the very dangerous activity like Ele hunting, and reaps the bennefit anyway, he is prone to protect the ele in his area from outside poachers. This is the truth, not the crap people are being told on the TV sets they worship. I simply do not understand the idea that one animal is less deserving if game status, while another which is more prolific is somehow not! No animal on the face of the Earth is more distructive than the Elephant, other than man himself. left alone the ele will turn a lush forest into a deasert. The country of BOTSWANA has a population of over 200,000 elephant, that are slowly destroying the habitat, yet the game people will not issue more than 2000 permits per yr, for ele, because of the world's misguided attitude on elephant hunting. A full 20 % of that population needs cropping, for the good of the elephant's future existance. The income generated by these permits would go a long way to the cessation of poaching of all animals in Botswana, because the safari companies, and money generated would allow more game rangers would be in the field. 
...............................END OF RANT![/b]
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Don Fischer
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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DUGABOY, you asked for that "fixed income" stuff! Jel...jeoc....jelo.....envey rears it's ugly head!  Africa is the biggest what to in my life. Befor I'm gone, I hope to make it,,,even if all I shoot is my camera!!!!!! It must be a truely wonderfull place.
Come to think of it, that fixed income remark took one hell of a lot of gut's to make. I ain't fooling with ya!!!!!!!  |
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DUGABOY1
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Don, Africa is a beautiful place, and once there, nothing else, in the hunting is quite the same again. It is a little like potatochips, you can't be satisfied with only one!
Actually hunting Africa is not as hard as most think. It all depends if you want to hunt Africa. It tickels me to listen to a guy tell me he can't afford to go to Africa, or Alaska, while sitting in a $25,000 bass boat, behind a boat trailer hooked to a $35,000 powerstroak diesel crew cab 4x4 truck. 
I went because I decided to drive my 5 year old paid off truck another 5 years, instead of buying a new one. To top that off I sold about ten rifles I'd had for twenty years, and took a 7 day Safari that included Impala, Zebra, warthog, wildebeast, hippo, and Cape Buffalo. I barrowed the money from my credit union on a 5 yr note, and the money came out of my check exactly as it had for the last 5 yrs paying for my truck. I never missed the money, as I was already used to the money coming out of my pay. At the end of that note, I bought a new truck, and by that time my wofe's car was paid for, and the circle started all over again, so she had to drive her car another 5 yrs. That was back in 1982, and I went several times after that, till I retired in 1996.
I only have two things now that hender my going back again! They are the fixed income (no overtime, or second jobs) , and my health! Right now as I write this, I just completed a surgery, and 33 days of dailey radiation treatments, at the TEXAS CANCER CENTER, In Arlington Texas, to rid myself of cancer of the throat. This may be my biggest dangerous game hunt of all!
Thank God for this computer, because I can't talk, and I love to talk hunting, and big bore NE double rifles! I say if you want to hunt in Africa, you can, if you want to! It's a trip, in more ways than one!
Good hunting Hoss! 
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"If I die today, I have had a life well spent, for I've been to see the elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"
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hunter777
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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You misunderstand. I have no problem with you hunting elephant (or any other form of wildlife management that is nessesary). I don't think any animal is more important or less important than any other. It's just not for me for personal reasons.
We love nothing more than talking hunting too.
Best of luck with your treatment. |
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Don Fischer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:12 am Post subject: |
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On another site in the "Africa" section, a guy was wondering if there were anymore 100# elephants left. Said he didn't want to spend $30,000 just to shoot a cow. The response that came from JJHack was similar to yours DUGABOY1.
There are some things that I find sacrete, may come as a shock but I don't spell very good, one is Africa. I will make it someday and as I said, if I shoot nothing more than my cameras, it'll be worth the price.
Good luck with your treatments. Now that I've been caring, there was no ptiy asked for and none will be given. Just because you can't talk don't mean you can't write. Keep it comming. |
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DUGABOY1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Don Fischer wrote: | may come as a shock but I don't spell very good,
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Don you are preaching to the choir about spelling! I'm not only dyslexic, but a poor speller on top of that. 
Another thing is, with my style of writeing being very dirrect, my posts are often taken as conforntational, when they are not meant to be. The rant on elephant control, is a fine example of what I'm saying. That post following a sugestion that I hunt an elephant with a camera, led Hunter777 to think I was jumping on him for not hunting elephant. That isn't the case at all, but was an explanation, of why cameras do not issue the needed effect in wildlife control, nothing more! 
You see, I couldn't care less if someone else wants to refrane from shooting elephant with anything other than a camera, that is their business. I have to do that myself, but because I can't afford $60K for a trophy elephant hunt. It isn't because I think it is somehow not a good idea. But when you say that, in a public forum, without qualifying it as being only your choice, it looks to the un-schooled, like a condimnation of hunting elephant.
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kevin davis
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I suppose it is a little late to post this, but whatever. I love Africa!! I've been twice and plan to go again if at all possible. The wide variety of game and relatively easy access to most of it is wonderful (no 10,000 ft elevations except on the plane over). Go in our summer so it is winter over there and it is not so hot. There are fewer bugs in the winter and dry seasons. Namibia has no malaria except in the caprivi strip way up north. I live in Texas, home of lots of exotic game ranches so I could hunt most everything from there here but the cost is prohibitive here. Examples:
kudu in namibia-$550-750 kudu in texas--$3,000-7,000
blue widebeest-$1000 $3,500-5,000
gemsbok $450-650 $4,000-6,000
So, if you want, the saving by going to Africa will more than cover the airfare and daily rate. Namibia is relatively cheap, compared to Tanzania, Zambia, and Botswana, both in trophy fees and daily rates and without extra fees like gun permits, ammo import fees, license fees, etc. I would urge anyone to go spend a week there. You can come back with 5-10 different animals, and still spend under $15,000, if you pick the right outfitter. I would not recommend a package hunt with preselected game, go for one where you can pick the animals you really want and just pay the trophy fees and daily rates. You will never match the experience elsewhere. |
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