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hubel458 · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: 700HE & 12GA FH Capable---

I'm visitor here, and like your site. Here is a
couple guns I did for myself. Both very capable
of delivering a lot of ME.First is an Enfield
that I setup for my 700H 3.25" short case, made by putting
belt on BMG brass. I have regular 700HE 3.87" long also.
I reamed the Enfield out so that it would take BMG and
12ga size cases, similiar to the bolt action Mauser shotguns.
Only I added two rear bolt locking lugs for strength.
Top load so far is 825 gr at 2700. Been testing 2 weeks
Second gun is a Savage 210 12ga, with heavy barrel and stock
I added ,for our 12GA From Hell case, which is made by
putting 12ga size rims BMG cases. Top load tested 600gr
hardened slug at 3400.Been testing almost 2 yrs. Ed.

hubel458 · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject:

Here is picture on right of our 12GA FH case next to regular
2 & 3/4" plastic case. All shorter cases can fire in our
long chamber also. I fired a 3.5 inch plastic case with
different powder than shotgun powder, and got 600gr
slug out at 2100 fps. That's 5800 ft lbs from
a plastic case. Ed

cam69conv · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject:

Makes ma shoulder hurt just LOOKIN at that

hubel458 · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject:

cam69-- They don't kick bad, we have guns weighted and
thick pads, like on our NEF in picture, that we lengthened
chamber to take long brass case. Ed

cam69conv · Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:44 am Post subject:

Couple questions.

#1 would one of those be actually legal in a shotgun only state? I mean I know that you are using a "slug" from a 12g but since you are loading them into a BMG case then I just wonder if some butthole Game Warden would give you serious hassle.

#2: How are you able to load a 2 3/4 case into the long chambers (especially when that looks to be a full inch and a half longer) and not get some SERIOUS wobble on the bullet from it being fired 1 1/2 away from the lands? Or are the barrels just heavy smooth bores?

#3: What kind of accuracy can one expect from say that last one you put up? Because if you can show me good answers to 1 & 2 and the first of this one then I may think seriously about having you build one for me (if you can promise it wont make butt-prints on the ground Oops!

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My Mossburg with the deerslayer barrel on it performs nicely, but those numbers you put up sound awful nice for a slugger and would (in the right hands) be a good 200 yard weapon with the right bullet loaded for BC and all.

hubel458 · Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:39 am Post subject:

It is a legal 12ga case made out of brass, It has a 12ga rim,
it isn't a bmg case anymore, can't be put in bmg chamber,
the barrels we stamped 12 GA 3 3/4, just like factory stamps barrels
3" or 2 3/4 or 3 1/2, etc. Your just making your own cases,
like if you turn one out of brass, or used plastic, or paper, or
steel or aluminum, etc. The Savage and NEF are rifled and
the long taper cone seems to straighten slugs to go straight,
like shooting shorter ones in factory 3.5" guns. Ideally
I expect that with case fitting chamber perfect , would make little
tighter groups. The Nef is good price, came with 3" chamber,
you can have any smith lengthen to 3.5, and if you reload slugs
with our slower powder loads you can get some great power.
with just the plastic case. Hard to fing guys to make our cases,
you got to use CNC setup for speed, but in future we are
working on getting a company who makes brass cases to
turn some out., which they already have done in 3.5", 3, etc
I'm not a for hire smith, I only do my own work..Ed

hubel458 · Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:48 am Post subject:

Had a light barrel 87 12ga replica now
we have this Long Tom slug gun.....Ed

hubel458 · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject:

Got an 8ga barrel blank being made now,
will be here end of the week.Found this
info on plastic 8ga kiln gun loads, they
load a frangible 710gr slug at 2300-
for 8300ft lbs, load 1275gr hard slug to
1700, 8100 ft lbs. We will outdo those easy
with our non-shotgun powder loads, in
a heavy barrel. We setup an Enfield for 8ga.
In the 87 long barreled gun we will be testing
Breneke slugs. Guys are reporting good accuracy
in smooth and rifled barrels. The pictured barrel
on 87 is smooth and we will see how the
slugs in pic stand some speed.Ed

kdm custom bullets · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject:

Amazing stuff hubelL458!!! I read all of your posts at the other forums. You are brilliant!

I'm working with Wayne at AHR to design cast bullets for the 585 AHR, 600 OK and 700 AHR. He would like to provide his customers with an inexpensive bullet for target practice and non-dangerous game. I have ordered molds for the 550 Magnum and one for the 585 AHR, 577 BME, 577 T-Rex. Both bullets weigh 750 grains in a LFN LBT design.

Here is a 585 750 grain WFN for the 577 Nitro

hubel458 · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject:

That is a nice looking bullet. Do you just use
alloy or do you heat treat them also. They are same
shape, only bigger, as some 458 ones I tested for
Fusalliere some time ago. They were treated.
You need to get ahold of Rich who is doing the
BME, to see if he'll shoot a few. He likes cast bullets.
Contact me, I get some to test in long version.Ed

kdm custom bullets · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:05 am Post subject:

hubel458,

Thanks.

I use an alloy similiar to wheel weight and heat-treated to BHN 22. This one was designed for the 577 Nitro. It's a wide flat nose.

I just ordered another mold for a .585 bullet in a Long Flat Nose weighing 750 grains with a heavy bevel base. This bullet has a better nose to feed in bolt rifles. The bevel base will ease bullet seating in a bottleneck or straight case.

I can send you some samples to test.

Please email me your address and I'll send them to you.
kevin(at)kdm-custom-bullets.com

How do I contact Rich?

hubel458 · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject:

Rich is Idahosharpshooter on the
Accurate Reloading big bore forums.
You can PM him there. Ed

kdm custom bullets · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject:

hubel458,

Thanks, I'll contact Rich and see if he's interested in testing some. I'd like to see how fast they can be driven without any leading. I would also like someone to test my .620 LFN in 900 grains. It should be ready next month. Maybe a 600 OK owner or Wayne at AHR.

hubel458 · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject:

I tested your 585 hardened 750 gr in my 585HE
and got 2500 with no leading, Used card wad under
slug, as that helps cut leading like a gas check..In fact
I think card wad is better than gas checks.My 585 will
put them out at 3-400 fps more than that.

Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple
1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr
of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers.
This is a heavy barrel for that type of load,
don't do this in your 12ga skinny barrels.
The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering
bolt gun for it now..Ed

hubel458 · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:21 am Post subject:

In the 87 long smooth barrel got
1 oz Brenneke to 2400 with 110gr
of 4227, You could use 4759 and
VV110 also at lesser amounts.
Barrel is cylinder bore size.
Brenneke slugs need no wads as the
locked on wad works good.Ed
And going heavier in 87 got 600 grain
Dixie over 2000, got a Buckhammer slug
I took out of factory load over 1900.
Buckhammer and locked on wad is 630
gr. Tested in 3" plastic cases.

The firing pin on the 87 didn't protude out
like I like them to as it comes from factory,
so I removed .015 from the hammer stop.
It fires big and small primers perfect.Ed