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[Don Fischer]

And we hear from another good one. But he shoots a 270 and lives in Canada so we forgive him. Hey Hammer, how ya doing.

I just got home and I was going to run that stuff thru my ballistic calculator but seem's no need, ya beat me to it. Sounds about right tho. The difference at 400yds between the superzappers and standard cartridges just isn't that much. Where to superzappers start to shine is well beyond the 400 yard mark. Most us old guy'ss can't see that far anymore. To much TV while sitting in our arm chairs! :yes:

[Hammer1]

Hi, I'm doing just great Don.
My computer, lazy-boy chair and TV are all in my den. Not much exercise here.

Last week(Sept 12th) your Secretary of State came to visit us and the rifle range is about nine miles from where she was staying. The Secret Service and RCMP VIP Security came to the range and no-one with a 270 was permitted to shoot.

Now, what does that tell ya ! :) :) :)

[Don Fischer]

Hey man, ignor them. Come on out and you can shoot all ya want, even that 270! ::wave1 :yes: :thumbsup1:

[330-Trapper]

NorthernMiHunter... is that Michigan??? Fine... if everyone on this thread so far is Right, prudent, honest, fair and also perfectly correct... than I guess I should just leave this site which seems to be too tight a group of guys to accept an outside view... I was just joining in with my personal views just like all of you were doing... and to answer your question I have hunted Antelope since I was 14, and I'm now 41...

I'll be leaving for Wyoming in 6 days.. so I am very qualified to give long range shooting advice... and no matter what anyone says, the 180 grain bullet out of the -06 is not the best bullet for Antelope... and you should quit looking up information in a book or on a chart and go out to the range with the three ... and then tell me the actual drop between the different grain bullets from that caliber... you all know that printed speeds and company listed ballistics etc... are just that... listed information from the companies to paint their bullets in the best light... the actual drop is far greater... before you go bad mouthing a person who is New, and just trying to actually help the first time lope hunter... why don't you re-read my post and look at it in a different non-defensive light...

I didn't mean to offend anyone... just stated it clearly as I believe, that the shooter is much better off on lopes, and distance with the 150 grain bullet...

Sorry to interupt

[Hammer1]

330Trapper:
You're not offending me in the least. I read, digest and consider ALL responses It's all a part of growing up.
I had to check the difference in a 100gr bullet out of a 25.06 and a 165 grainer(same bullet type) out of the 06 andat 400 yard it is 5 inches. Surprisingly winddrift is the same.
Lots of folks here with a lot more experience than me. i.e. Don Fischer. He worked on the assembly line when the first 30.06 was produced :D

[Don Fischer]

Thanks for the plug buddy! I jush about had this cheerleader from Oregon State convinced I was 25! :](*,)

Oh, I'm sorry, it's not lush,,,,,,,jush, it's just! She told me that! See how your affecting my higher education! :yes:

[Don Fischer]

I recieved today a PM from 330-trapper. Seem's he's a bit miffed with my earlier response to him. He has, on his own, gone back and removed the offending statement. It was offending to me and to some other's I believe. I wrote back to 330-trapper and told him my thought's, perhaps I should tell you guy's also.

I have found in this site a group of guy's willing to give advice and opinion's based on their experience without suggesting anyone is a blowhard that lacks experience. This has been one great site with a lot of really good members. I will not stand by and let anyone take what I concider a cheap shot at any of you. And as I told him, were he to hang around and join in without that kinda of stuff, I would also defend him. In the meantime the ball is in his court, I'd welcome him here or bid him adeu, that's up to him. You guy's are really great.

[Hiker]

330-Trapper, Thanks for adding to the forum. I hope you have a great Wyoming hunt. My wife, daughter and I are heading up to Buffalo, WY towards the end of October for a Antelope hunt.
I use to catch a lot of beaver in those 330's, great trap.

[Hammer1]

As always, Don, you speaketh with great wisdom, Ol Wise One :thumbsup1:

[330-Trapper]

Thanks Hiker, I sincerely hope your trip to Buffalo, Wyoming will be awesome for you... I went to buffalo area around Ucross/ Claremont with our family group since about 1972... then the rancher who owned the land we hunted got married for the first time in his late 70's... his grown stepsons leased it out and now deer and lopes cost in the thousands to hunt... We found a new area a few years back 2001 to hunt the speedgoats on BLM... but I miss the Buffalo area a lot... So good luck!

And to Don, I don't need your defense on an open forum site... what I do need is for you to consider that others even new posters Might have as much or more experience as you. Yes I came across harsh in one post, earlier when I joined this thread line... but I removed that paragraph before I PM'd you because I realized that I had sounded like a jerk... So to everyone else on the board I apologize for any earlier offense. However to Don I want to say that the reason good sites like this one have (PM) options are because "PM" means Private message... not public message...

Thanks to some who have been friendly to me as a new member, and to the others who I might have offended... I do apologize and hope to become forum friends with in the future...

330-Trapper

[Don Fischer]

In that case, welcome aboard. Have a good trip and let us know how you do. :thumbsup1:

[Hammer1]

330Trapper
You wrote:
because I realized that I had sounded like a jerk.

Well, you're right back there again. Your attack on a forum member and Moderator of "Distincion" is not necessary.
Why don't we all move on slowly and I'm going to be the first one to take my own advice.

:D Hammer1 :D

[330-Trapper]

Thanks Don, I hope we will... I'm hoping the different weather forecasts I'm watching on the net are wrong... but if we hunt in Gumbo, then we hunt in Gumbo...

By the way, what Gun and Cal. do you usually pick up when you head West??

330-Trapper

[Don Fischer]

I live in the west and have most of my life. I've used a lot of different cartridges and find that the number of cartridges that work out here are great. In the past, well it would be easier to tell what I haven't used. 250-3000, 257 Roberts, 260, 7mm-08, 30-06 any Weatherby. Maybe a couple others but my mind is going!

The thing I've found about choice of cartridges is that bullets are actually more important. ie. most game is killed well under 200yds, will a 160gr bullet from a 7mm mag be anymore effective than the same bullet from a 7x57? The answer is no, I've used both a great deal.

Presently I'm using a 6.5-06 with 129gr Hornady's and a 6.5x55 with 140gr Hornady's for all big game. Not because their better than any other cartridge but because I like 6.5's. Were I to be honest, I think the two best cartridge's for everything in the lower 48 would be the 7x57 and 280 Rem. Both have the right vevocities to make honest long range, 300yd + or -, loads and handle bullet's up to 175gr very well. They both are down enough on velocity not to tear up bullet's on close shot's but up enough to deliver all the power necessary at long range, 300yds. The choice of bullet's is second only to the 30 cal but the 30's, in my opinion, don't handle the whole range of bullet's as well and generally recoil more. A big factor to shooting accurately is recoil, I'm sure you know that. In younger day's I felt that the 300 mag's with a 200gr bullet were as good a long range set-up as you could have, but the price is recoil.

Most people I believe over gun themselve's and as a result never reach their potentional. Recoil can be handled but it takes a lot of shooting to do it. As example, I bought a 338 win mag in 1971, maybe 72, that the first time a shot it, I ended up with a badly brused shoulder after three shot's. I worked with that rifle a great deal and by the time I sold it, I was using it to shoot over gopher town's in Montana. I've shot exactly one head of game with it and convinced myself it was to much for anything. I've owned one more since.

Oh, I also presently use a 243 w/75gr V-Max bullet's for coyotes and below, a 25-06 (great cartridge) w/117 gr Hornady's that my son thinks is his and he has my old 308 win. Also have a 03-A3 Springfield built by Paul Jaeger in 1945 that's the finest rifle I've ever owned. It's a 30-06 and I've never shot the first animal with a 30-06, not ever a varmit.

Once again, have a good trip and welcome aboard.

Don

[330-Trapper]

What you said abuot Bullet choice vs: caliber is very true; before my stroke in July of this year I had been using my Browning A-bolt SS in a 7mm Mag for everything... to be sure it's considered by most to be overkill, but in choosing the bullets my barrel got along with best... I tested out a 140 grain bonded bullet on Antelope because of the way it performed on my range out to 350yard.

I found out that that bullet performed to a -T- and did not cause any more tissue damage than other gun/ bullet choice even the .270 with similar size loads... and It shot that particular load extremely acurate at 100 and out to long shots on the sage flats...

I also shoot an old favorite Rem. Mohawk 600 bolt in the .243 Win, and another Stainless Browning in a 25-06 which my youngest daughter Ariel claims is "her" rifle... Because I cannot have recoil at all near my Neck artery this year... Because ot the Stroke I had in July , I have bought a Savage Striker in a .243 Win. and with my Harris H bi-pod for sitting shots, and my Harris Bench bi-pod for prone shots... out at my range here, I am shooting tight enough to take my lope out to 200 yards... and that is all I need... I'm just blessed that my Wife and the Doctors are allowing me to go at all this year...












330-Trapper