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joel@whitemoose.ca
Joined: 12 Feb 2005
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Location: Foleyet / Ottawa
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: White Moose |
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Hey all.... wandering what kind of response other hunters would get from pic's like these.
Those are all wild moose about 20 miles from my home. They're not albino.
Who would shoot them if they were moose hunting and could legally do it?
Here's a link to a bunch of cool moose hunting pic's from an outfitter in Ontario.
http://airivanhoe.com/MooseHun.....aster1.htm
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joel@whitemoose.ca
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject: My latest letter from the Minister of Natural Resources |
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Latest letter from the Minister of Natural Resources...
Joel
Your thoughts... |
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NONYA
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: Montana
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| Nice pics,there is an area in central Idaho where the white moose is not an uncommon sight and the local F&G has passed a rule preventing them from being hunted,personally if I drew a tag in one of these areas I would be more than happy to harvest a white bull,why not?The color is a recessive trait not a one in a billion freak occurance,it would be like saying "I wont shoot a deer with a big gnarly drop tine because they are very rare"lol not this guy!One piece of advice,use a semi-translucent overlay for your pics that say SAMPLE and run it diagonally accross the pic,it makes them alot easier to look at! |
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joel@whitemoose.ca
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: For real? |
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"there is an area in central Idaho where the white moose is not an uncommon sight and the local F&G has passed a rule preventing them from being hunted"
- I know that Idaho passed a law protecting white moose, but i'm thinking that those pic's were taken in N. Ontario and were of the same group i'm looking at... Know anyone that has seen a white moose in Idaho? Know of any other pic's of white moose taken in Idaho?
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NONYA
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| go to the Idaho F&G website,nobody said these moose were in Idaho,what r u smokin? :roll: |
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joel@whitemoose.ca
Joined: 12 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject: 'those pic's.... |
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By those pic's, I didn't mean the ones posted here... below are the pic's that led to the law in Idaho... They came out approximately 3 years ago, and I've yet to come across another pic that was allegedly from Idaho....
Here's the pic of the white cow with dark calf that started distributing in 2001 that is allegedly from Idaho..
Here's a couple pic's of a white cow with a dark calf that were taken in 2001 in Northern Ontario, about 20 miles from home... Maybe just a coincidence, but i'm not so sure that they are different animals... I've been speaking to a guy that says his aunt lives in Foleyet, and took the infamous pic's... if she's got another from the same looking set, that hasn't been floated around the internet, the mystery will be solved...
http://whitemoose.ca/pics/Whit.....wnCalf.jpg
(Can't get the picture to show up, but the link works...)
So basically, I think the whole Idaho WHITE MOOSE thing was a scam, but we'll see this summer when I get home... I plan to take some pic's with me standing in the locations where many of the white moose pic's were taken, to verify the locations...
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NONYA
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| 1: why would anyone want to promote such a "scam" and 2:why would anyone go through the trouble of "disproving" the socalled "scam"?OMG get a life!! |
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joel@whitemoose.ca
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject: It's a #'s game.... |
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There are many reasons one may want to put on such a scam.. maybe it was just for fun, and then it skyrocketed... who knows...
Why would I care? It's a numbers game with the govt. The fewer I can prove exist, and the more 'scams' I can expose, the better the odds for protecting the ones in my area. Rare animals tend to get more protection... I'd like to see a healthy herd of white moose in N. Ontario, but this strain is right on the brink. Furthermore, I've yet to find another strain which can consistently have white offspring...
Make sense?
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NONYA
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| There is a reason the white phase moose is the recesive gene,they are totaly obvious to the predators,and there is no shortage of moose anywhere,and in natures scheme it would be more dangerous to the moose population if the white phase were more predominant,anywhere there wernt people to "protect" them they wouldnt enjoy the natural protection of the camoflauge color that has become predominant for a reason and would fall prey to wolves/bears while they were calves,pretty easy to spot a white calf moose curled up under a pile of brush.Nature has a reason for these traits becoming recesive and it is never wise to try to alter natures course. |
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pigman
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Those pics just told me to enter for an Idaho and Ontario moose tag. That would be some kind of trophy on my living room wall. |
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joel@whitemoose.ca
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: Agreed .... big trophy |
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Wouldn't it be cool to build up the herd to a couple thousand animals so that the government could allocate tags specifically for white moose ... this is what we're working towards ... and I need guys just like "PIGMAN" letting me know (and the governmen) that there are selfish / irresponsible hunters that would take these animals before they had the chance to flourish ... the same guys that would take the last female trout out of a stream ...
Nice thoughts Pigman ... nice thoughts... |
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cowgal
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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The "white" will not flourish and was not meant to flourish in nature. Whether elk, bear or moose, being white is not a good thing. I personally do not believe a white herd should be encouraged in any species.
I don't see why they should be protected, even though they are white, genetically they are still the same species. |
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joel@whitemoose.ca
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: White animals in nature .. |
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"The "white" will not flourish and was not meant to flourish in nature."
- And how would you explain such animals as polar bears, artic foxes, artic hares, beluga whales, ptarmigan, etc ...
These animals are only 200 miles from the realm of polar bears... is it really that far fetched ? I can see that white deer in florida would be bad, but white deer in northern alberta would seem to be OK.
And out of curiosity, what would the link look like if we ever were to see a moose which is white in the winter and brown in the summer. Could you positively identify it at 200 yards before you pulled the trigger? And after the scientists did the genetic testing to prove that it was just a defect, could you really be 100% positive that they were right in light of all the scientific blunders in the last 50 years ...
I guess the question is, do you believe that evolution is frozen in time?
Might this strain be the one with the same characteristics which have made snow shoe rabbits so plentiful in Northern Ontario? White in the winter.. dark in the summer ... We'll never know if we loose the strain ...
Joel
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NONYA
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| is it just me or are you tryin to b funny?Those animals you mentioned are white dor a reason,they live in a white enviroment all year round.....duhhhh.If moose start living in an arctic enviroment tyhem your little expirement might have some merit,until then its a stupid idea to mess with nature and try to promote this white strain,how do you know its not just a genetic defect that goes along with a low level of white bloods cells in the animals blood stream wich leads to a early death?Maybe we should try to have kids with epilepse because they are different and therfore should be protected and montored?I would be more than happy to eliminjate one of the white freaks from the genepool.most hunters would have no problem shooting a white bull moose and many would love to.Is this some kind of greenpeace fishing expidition? |
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cowgal
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: White animals in nature .. |
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joel@whitemoose.ca wrote:
- And how would you explain such animals as polar bears, artic foxes, artic hares, beluga whales, ptarmigan, etc ...
Some species are white due to their environment, meaning snow or the arctic. In that case, yes white is good, since they blend into their natural environment.
Quote: These animals are only 200 miles from the realm of polar bears... is it really that far fetched ? I can see that white deer in florida would be bad, but white deer in northern alberta would seem to be OK.
Do the white moose live in an entirely white environment? Do they have their young in the snow? Most likely not, so I'd say being white for the moose is not beneficial.
Quote: And out of curiosity, what would the link look like if we ever were to see a moose which is white in the winter and brown in the summer. Could you positively identify it at 200 yards before you pulled the trigger? And after the scientists did the genetic testing to prove that it was just a defect, could you really be 100% positive that they were right in light of all the scientific blunders in the last 50 years ...
If scientists find via genetic testing that its a defect or simply recessive genes, I don't see how we can argue with that. I'm also guessing the scientists will find that a moose is a moose whether brown or white.
Quote: I guess the question is, do you believe that evolution is frozen in time?
How can this be evolution?
Quote: Might this strain be the one with the same characteristics which have made snow shoe rabbits so plentiful in Northern Ontario? White in the winter.. dark in the summer ... We'll never know if we loose the strain ...
I don't see the similarity. Sorry... |
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