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guyrg · Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 2

nobody else thinks there a problem
with moose rules in ontario

[ This Message was edited by: guyrg on 2003-08-04 19:13 ]

Snake · Joined: 29 May 2003 Posts: 8 Location: Northwestern Ontario

Moose populations in Ontario going down? Hardly. According to figures released last yr by MNR moose population estimates are almost double estimates done in the early 80's when the selective harvest system was first introduced. My question is, if the goal back then was to increase the herd significantly by introducing this lottery system, when will the herd be big enough to adopt a system that makes more adult tags available? Is double the herd enough, or do we need to triple or quadruple it? Has the arm of the MNR that administers the lottery system become so big that it needs to perpetuate the system to justify it's own existence?
Yes moose are being poached in Ontario in staggering numbers. Why?
Are normally law abiding hunters so frustrated with the lottery system that they choose to ignore the rules, believing the chance of them ever being caught is remote?
Or has the Ministry of Natural Resources reduced the enforcement budget to such an extent that they can no longer provide a significant deterrent?
Ten years without a tag? Have you considered using the group application system to your advantage? In some readily accessible WMU's only 2 hunters in the preffered pool are needed to guarantee a bull tag.

saskie · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:11 pm Post subject:

What are the higher percentage zones that are drive-in (realistically drive in). And how do you find out who owns the remote forestry lands to get permission to hunt them?

Snake · Joined: 29 May 2003 Posts: 8 Location: Northwestern Ontario

Saskie-
If you pick up a copy of the 2003 Ontario Hunting Regulations, available at any MNR office or wherever hunting lisences are sold, there are maps inside detailing the Wildlife Management Units in your area. The regs also include information on the Selective Harvest System and how you can apply. Most everything you need to know is right there in the regs. Your local MNR office should also be able to help answer any questions you may have. I've always found MNR staff to be most helpful.
Most remote logging areas in Ontario are owned by the crown, and you don't need permission to hunt them.In a few cases, large tracts of bush are owned by private companies. Here in NWO Abitibi Cosolidated owns a parcel west of Thunder Bay, but you can purchase a permit to use the area quite cheaply.Check with your local MNR office regarding the area you want to hunt.
Up in this neck of the woods, WMU 13, just west of Thunder Bay and easily accessible by road currently requires 2 persons in the preferred pool (as explained in the 2003 hunting regs) to be guaranteed a bull tag.
Hope this answers some of your questions.

sawman · Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Posts: 91 Location: central ontario

15B is the same 2 for a bull tag heading up there on the 9th season opens on the 11th of oct.

[ This Message was edited by: sawman on 2003-09-25 12:21 ]

y2kcrash · Joined: 18 Sep 2002 Posts: 4

Well bushman things are about to get worse.
see my post in Forum for Eastern Canada for details.

jenystr · Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 5

I have a 2004 bull archery tag for area 19. From what I am reading it sounds like I have won the lottery. I am looking for any hints about how to go about doing this. I will be hunting alone unless I can hook up with a resident in that area or find someone from the states to go along that is okay with shooting a calf. Call me selfish but I want to shoot my own bull.

If anyone can help me with gaining knowledge about area 19, roads, ponds, cuttings, etc. I would appreciate it.

saskie · Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:37 am Post subject:

Here's the number for the MNR office in Geraldton, which I believe is in zone 19:
1 (807) 854-1030. They should at least be able to point you in the right direction.

Rackman · Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Espanola On.

can you please explain how you have an archery tag for 2004 when they have not been drawn yet??????

saskie · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject:

Probably an outfitter tag.

dgrant · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 5

Hello board. I am new here and would like to join in on this topic if I may? Moose hunting is my biggest passion and from what I have read I share alot of your concerns pertaining to the moose populations and lottery here in Ont. I would also like to know how "jenystr" received a 2004 archery tag for a bull when the tags lots have not yet been issued for residents???? And, if you are not a resident you can not go off hunting on your own or with a resident even if you own propery in Ont. As of a new law passed, you are required to go through a licensed outfitter. Please explain this in detail.

jenystr · Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 5

I am going through an licensed outfitter as required. The reason I say I have a tag is because I have booked this hunt. My understanding is outfitters get just a few tags each. That is how I know I am getting one.

dgrant · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 5

That makes more sense. The outfitter will line you up with an area and any required maps. At least he should take care of the details.

dgrant · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 5

BTW jenystr, you will be hunting in mid to late September and the moose are usually in rutting stages so be careful. Those bulls can get a might ornary. Your best bet is to stay close to the water. Rivers, ponds creeks and shallow weedy bays of lakes. Look for sign in the way of tree rubs. They are not like a deer rub, moose usually trash fair size willow bushes and such. Also use you nose, if you find a rut pit, and you will know it's a rut pit by the smell it's something God awful, that is where you might want to make a set up. Call early in the morning just at about the break of dawn and towards evening staritng at around 4:30 pm or so. Don't call to loud in the beginning or too much. Good luck

jenystr · Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 5

Thanks for the advice. I am really looking forward to it. I have tried to make a call without success. I can't seem to find a big enough piece of bark.

I hunted moose once before with a bow and had success. Calling with the hands is the preferred method but the calls I have been seeing made out of birch bark really seem authentic.

I also would like more information on how to hunt the calf's. That has to be very difficult.

[ This Message was edited by: jenystr on 2004-01-30 10:05 ]