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[ovny]

Hello friends:

I wonder who has the power to stop Rigby 416, compared with 458 Lott. In particular I want to ask whether the property with 416 Rigby kills an elephant, an African buffalo, a rhinoceros or a hippopotamus that burden against the hunter. I know that if Lott 458 overthrew these dangerous animals with solvency. On the other hand, I can tell you that I have a 375 H & H Magnum, what size you buy in my case? Thanks and forgive the inconvenience.

Ovny. :thumbsup1:

[CVC]

I don't have any first hand experience, but your question intrigued me so I google the calibers.

From what I found it is unlikely that you could go wrong with either caliber. The 458 lott seems to have more stopping power.

[shakari]

A simple look at ballistics tables will show you degrees of power etc (or however you want to term it) but there are also other factors than need to be considered. Bullet placement is important because no matter how large the calibre, if you put the bullet in the wrong place, it won't have the desired effect. Bullet construction is also important because even if you put your shot in the right place with the right calibre, if the bullet fails to perform correctly in that circumstance, it won't have the desired effect. Stock design is also important because if that's wrong, you're going to feel the recoil more and possibly develop a flinch which may affect the shot placement.

Going back to the ballistics, any of the calibres you mention and many smaller than the ones you mention will kill anything that walks on God's earth, but if you want a chargestopper, then in my opinion they don't start until you get into the .40s and above and th larger you go, the better the charge stopping ability......... but only with the right bullet choice, shot placement and only if you can handle the rifle.

If you're looking for a good Dangerous Game rifle, my advice would be to get as large a calibre with good stock design as you can shoot comfortably and competently. ........... and to use the right bullets for the job.

FWIW, My own carry rifle is a custom built 500 Jeffery on a left handed Weatherby action with very short barrel and a mercury tube recoil arrestor in the stock. Sights are open with a shallow vee sight at the rear and a big red fibre optic site on the front. The rifle handles, points and shoots like a shotgun and is perfect for what I as a PH needs it for.............. however, I'd consider it a bit radical for a clients rifle.

Hope that helps

[ovny]

shakari wrote: A simple look at ballistics tables will show you degrees of power etc (or however you want to term it) but there are also other factors than need to be considered. Bullet placement is important because no matter how large the calibre, if you put the bullet in the wrong place, it won't have the desired effect. Bullet construction is also important because even if you put your shot in the right place with the right calibre, if the bullet fails to perform correctly in that circumstance, it won't have the desired effect. Stock design is also important because if that's wrong, you're going to feel the recoil more and possibly develop a flinch which may affect the shot placement.

Going back to the ballistics, any of the calibres you mention and many smaller than the ones you mention will kill anything that walks on God's earth, but if you want a chargestopper, then in my opinion they don't start until you get into the .40s and above and th larger you go, the better the charge stopping ability......... but only with the right bullet choice, shot placement and only if you can handle the rifle.

If you're looking for a good Dangerous Game rifle, my advice would be to get as large a calibre with good stock design as you can shoot comfortably and competently. ........... and to use the right bullets for the job.

FWIW, My own carry rifle is a custom built 500 Jeffery on a left handed Weatherby action with very short barrel and a mercury tube recoil arrestor in the stock. Sights are open with a shallow vee sight at the rear and a big red fibre optic site on the front. The rifle handles, points and shoots like a shotgun and is perfect for what I as a PH needs it for.............. however, I'd consider it a bit radical for a clients rifle.

Hope that helps


Thank you I have been quite open eyes. Try to prove both sizes, to get an idea of their retreat and then choose. Caliber 500 Jeffery strikes me as ideal for a professional hunter, but excessive for a hunter client.

Regards,

Oscar.

[shakari]

I agree that the 500s are really more of a PHs rifle rather than a clients rifle. We use 404 Jeffery rifles made by the same company who made my 500 as client loaners and that's a calibre that's well worth considering as it's part way between the 416 and the 458. Those rifles also have mercury tube recoil arrestors and the same open site set ups.

[ovny]

Hello, thanks again by its answer, I the surest thing and keeping in mind when the kick test it of the 458 Lott (will be the one that in the end I buy me), a corner piece adapt him Pachmayr Decelerator to mitigate a little the effect of the powerful backward movement that have said me that has this caliber. They have said me that the pipe of mercury leaves quite expensive.

A greeting,

Oscar.

[shakari]

They're not usually particularly expensive and there are similar alternatives such as tungsten bead versions - and as long as they're fitted correctly, they're not a problem at all. Also remember that the right rifle can keep you alive and the wrong one might not.

Stock design is also vitally important to felt recoil so look very carefully at that and test shoot the rifle if you can.

I don't know what your budget is, but if you want a good quality made to measure rifle with a stock that fits you properly at a fair price you might like to look at the company that made my rifles for me. They're based in South Africa but ship worldwide. Their website is www.sabirifles.co.za - I can highly recommend them. Even if you don't buy from them, take a look at their site and pay attention to their stock designs as the company has vast experience of making large calibre rifles and you might be able to use that knowledge when looking elsewhere...........

[ovny]

shakari wrote: They're not usually particularly expensive and there are similar alternatives such as tungsten bead versions - and as long as they're fitted correctly, they're not a problem at all. Also remember that the right rifle can keep you alive and the wrong one might not.

Stock design is also vitally important to felt recoil so look very carefully at that and test shoot the rifle if you can.

I don't know what your budget is, but if you want a good quality made to measure rifle with a stock that fits you properly at a fair price you might like to look at the company that made my rifles for me. They're based in South Africa but ship worldwide. Their website is www.sabirifles.co.za - I can highly recommend them. Even if you don't buy from them, take a look at their site and pay attention to their stock designs as the company has vast experience of making large calibre rifles and you might be able to use that knowledge when looking elsewhere...........

Hello again and thanks again; uf¡ my budget very is limited, like I told you I I am saving the money that costs me the rifle (1015 € to the change 1495 $) euro to euro or if you want, to cut to cut. Therefore, everything that leave itself the budget is too much for my economy. Also I have in against the opinion of my woman, because she thinks that already he is sufficient with the weapons that I have and imagine you the problem. So I will enjoy with the page that you has facilitated myself and I will comply with me the rifle Ceska jejeje.

Thanks,

Oscar.

[Shaun]

I have some probs with leopards. What is the best choice for a firearm when shooting from a hide and when finishing a wounded leopard who is charging me?
Any advise would be most appreciated as i don't have a clue.

[ovny]

Shaun wrote: I have some probs with leopards. What is the best choice for a firearm when shooting from a hide and when finishing a wounded leopard who is charging me?
Any advise would be most appreciated as i don't have a clue.

I have not understood well your question, but if it is what I believe(create), I is the well-read one that at the moment of looking for a wounded leopard, the people use a shotgun with relay. I do not know if I could have helped you.

A greeting,
Oscar.