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billythekidrock
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Not to mention how much fun is it to brag to everyone that you got a bear over a feeding station. Though you did find the unmoving hard to find station in the woods it is a lot more respectful and gratifiying to be able to take an animal after you have worked very hard to get it. Just me though
Very well said!
Quote: Would you consider it illegal/unsportsmanlike to call for bear within earshot of those areas?
If I stumble across a naturally dead elk can I hunt the carcass?
What about a gut pile?
Depends. Ear shot can be a long ways away when calling.
I don't know about a naturally dead wild animal, but I have been told that a gut pile could be considered bait because it was put there by a human action.
Remember, it all depends on the game agent and his interpretation of the law. You can/will lose all your gear and rights just on the agents interpretation. Then you get to go to court in front of a judge who will give you his interpretation of the law. If you are convicted you get to keep all the fines and penalties. If you are not convicted (you will not get all charges dropped) you will get the right to purchase your gear back. |
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littlebuf
Joined: 27 Apr 2008
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Location: leftern washington
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| so i guess you guys have the same opinion on food plots for deer and elk on private property? |
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billythekidrock
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: feeding statiions |
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littlebuf wrote: does any one have any info on bear feeding stations on tree farm land? i know they feed the bears and i think ive found a couple of feeding stations in my local tree farm, you guys have any info youd like to pass along
Are you spring hunting?
Most timber company bait stations only feed during the spring. If you hunt near them in the fall (not in use) there should be no problems |
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billythekidrock
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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littlebuf wrote: so i guess you guys have the same opinion on food plots for deer and elk on private property?
I have my own opinions on that, but they are also legal activities where baiting and hunting over bait (and scent) is against the law. |
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csumerall
Joined: 26 Aug 2007
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Location: Eatonville, Wa
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Like I said to each their own. I just know what the laws are, anything more than that is personal convictions. But, I will say this upon the food plot issues, though I myself dont use them and wouldnt use them. I strongly believe that infighting between hunting groups just gives anti's more fuel and ammuntion for their fight. |
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GBoyd
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Location: Puyallup, WA / Grand Rapids, MI
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, everything is risky when you get close to the line like that. But I don't obey the laws because of the potential penalty. I obey them because they're laws. I've never met an enforcement officer in the woods, but I follow the game laws as well as I can because otherwise I couldn't be proud of any animal I killed.
Here's my take on the questions I raised:
I personally wouldn't have a problem with the naturally dead animal. If it's not there because of human action, then it is essentially the same as finding a good berry patch. It's just a natural food concentration that will attract bears and should be legitimately hunted.
But I've never found one during bear season, so it hasn't come up.
A gut pile on the other hand, seems too much like baiting. It is the direct result of human action.
I don't know about the garbage. It's also the result of human action, but not the action of hunters. Also, since this garbage is spread out, it would be a very large area to be off limits.
Practically, it doesn't matter. I wouldn't hunt the area anyway because there are so many people that I'm sure the bears only come in there after dark. |
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billythekidrock
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: well in that case is the entire 180'000 acres of limits because there are feeding stations in th e property? if so why do they give tags for this area?
Must be Kapowsin..
In years past they broke the unit into three sections and allowed hunting in two sections and ran feed stations in the other section. You may want to double check on the timber companies policy and make sure you are hunting in the right area. |
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littlebuf
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Location: leftern washington
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| well this got alot of response,but for the record i never stated i was going to purposely break the law or advocate that it would be ok to break the law, quit contrary i contacted the WSF&G and asked them, and in turn posted there response. even there answer was ambiguous. so if you would please stop labeling me as a crimanal or an unsportsmanlike individual, these i am not, i am however new to this forum and the accusations have more than a little turned me off to it |
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billythekidrock
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: |
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I don't think anyone is labeling you a criminal. I do think we are "pushing back" as hard as you "pushed".
You stated it was legal (told by a guide and possibly by F&G) and we are telling you that it is not legal.
You said it, "even there answer was ambiguous" and we said "don't do it, it is not worth the trouble".
You seem set on finding a loophole.
And don't worry, no one here is against you personally. |
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csumerall
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Location: Eatonville, Wa
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| well put billy, I agree. All I think everyone here was just trying to tell you that you may have been misinformed and warn you of the potential hazards of the path you were on. |
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blacktail hunter
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Location: Western, WA
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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In washington state it is LEGAL to bait deer, elk, cougar, coyotes ect. for now. Baiting bear is ILLEGAL. They are in the process trying to pass a law so you can not bait any animals what so ever, which will or will not pass around July 1, 2008. But... if you are baiting for any animal and a bear comes in and you hunt that bear, that is considered baiting even thought that bait may not be for the purpose of bear hunting.
Just my two cents.
On Pg. 65 of the 2007 pamphelt it states under Hunting Methods:
The use of hounds and/or bait to hunt black bear is prohibited. |
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billythekidrock
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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blacktail hunter wrote: In washington state it is LEGAL to bait deer, elk, cougar, coyotes ect. for now. Baiting bear is ILLEGAL. They are in the process trying to pass a law so you can not bait any animals what so ever, which will or will not pass around July 1, 2008. But... if you are baiting for any animal and a bear comes in and you hunt that bear, that is considered baiting even thought that bait may not be for the purpose of bear hunting.
Just my two cents.
On Pg. 65 of the 2007 pamphelt it states under Hunting Methods:
The use of hounds and/or bait to hunt black bear is prohibited.
While I don't bait for deer or elk, we need to make sure that this stays legal. If it becomes illegal we will never get bear baiting back. |
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