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[SoCoKHntr]

Fisher King wrote: CVC wrote: Quote: I don't think the camp that wants to completely outlaw guns will ever get their way. Sportsmen and the shooting hunting industry is far to high a moneymaker that our Gov. would ever allow that to happen. The acquisition of the all mighty dollar is after all our countries number one priority

I am being lazy here - think I'll blame it on getting up at 3 am to go turkey hunting today. See, maybe I could be a liberal, I am already not accepting responsibility for my own laziness :evil:

Anyway, didn't they recently ban guns in Austraila and Canada? I suppose I should look up the details, but .....

Finally, I think this thread is going to last as long as the democrat primary!
They didn't ban guns in Canada yet, but let the Liberals in and hand guns simi auto and pumps may go the way like they have in Australia :sad:
Our hand guns are practicaly baned now, you need to take a course and you are only alowed to travel with your hand gun to the range and back by the shortest posible route. we are not alowed to protect our selves but we are alowed to call 911 dial a prayer after we have been asulted for a cop to come and take a statement after the fact.
Infact in our country if a thug breakes into your house and you have a broken window or a dog and the thug cuts himself or the dog bits him he can come back and sue you :o :sad: .
Belive me your second emendment rights are something I envey and something I would fight for if I were you. But thats just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions and a sertain body part.
Regards and sorry for butting into a debate that doesn't envolve me , but just thought you would like to see how things can go.
Fisher King.

In regard to Australia and Great Britain or any other European country. You can't compare the US to them. Completely different animal. The backbone of the US was built on firearms. The history and sheer numbers of gun owners again, leads to a completely different scenario where it wouldn't be possible to implement laws taking our gun rights. You wouldn't have enough cops to even come close to enforcing this in a million years.

On a side not, I have a good friend who worked in the sporting goods industry during the nineties, the Clinton years, and he said firearms sales were at the highest he or his Boss had ever seen it. Surely much higher then today with the economy the way it is. Just brought that up in regard to how firearms sales were under a Democratic president.

As much as some think under a Democratic administration and a Democratic congress that our guns will be gone I don't share that belief one iota. If Obama is elected and the Democrats control congress I have no doubt my 357 will still be in the drawer on my night stand and the rest of my arms will be in my gun safe. Without me breaking any laws or under threat of them being confiscated.

The bottom line is, as I keep repeating, Obama is likely going to win and Congress may go Dem due to the insanely high disgust and dissatisfaction with the Republican party at this time. Two years will be here before you know it and I will gladly take my serving of crow if the G-men have come and confiscated my arms under Obama. If we are all still posting here we will be able to discuss this. If you guys are still shooting and hunting will you admit it or will it be another story of how if the stars aligned just right for them evil Dems our guns will be gone.

[CVC]

I respectfully disagree. I do believe it could happen here. Many people look internationally to see where we should be headed.

Guns were confiscated in New Orleans by the local government after the hurricane. Who would have thought that the government would go door to door taking legally owned guns from its citizens? But it did happen.

I am sure there were those that believed they would never ban fox hunting in England. There is a tradition that is older than our country and yet, it was banned.

You're right that this is all conjecture at this point. No one knows for sure what will happen.

For some the abortion is their number one political driver - for me it is protection of the second amendment. No other political issue is more important to me so maybe that is why we see things a bit differently.

[Fisher King]

Austalia is a fronter country like Canada and the United States not neer like it is in Europe. I figure if it can happen there it can happen anywere. Sorry for the but in again :oops: .
F.K.

[SoCoKHntr]

CVC wrote: I respectfully disagree. I do believe it could happen here. Many people look internationally to see where we should be headed.

Guns were confiscated in New Orleans by the local government after the hurricane. Who would have thought that the government would go door to door taking legally owned guns from its citizens? But it did happen.

I am sure there were those that believed they would never ban fox hunting in England. There is a tradition that is older than our country and yet, it was banned.

You're right that this is all conjecture at this point. No one knows for sure what will happen.

For some the abortion is their number one political driver - for me it is protection of the second amendment. No other political issue is more important to me so maybe that is why we see things a bit differently.

Correct me if I'm wrong CVC, but wasn't the majority of the N.O. confiscations in dangerous inner city areas where criminal elements were shooting at Law Enforcement and pretty much running amuck? Wouldn't you want their guns taken away from them in that situation? Or is your view so locked into place that to protect your right even those breaking the law blatantly should be left alone?

I think the main issue with the gun argument in America is the advancement in the last thirty years of arms meant for military or police use that are designed for the sole purpose of warfare and regular civilian folks wanting access to them. Again, I can't say how I truly feel about that. It's a sticky situation and where does it end? Do you truly feel everyone in America has the intelligence, maturity, and responsibility, to have unlimited access to high capacity killing arms?

[SoCoKHntr]

Just did some reading and I am making my own correction. It looks like the Federal Gov. as well as local Gov. did authorize the confiscation of Firearms during that time. My only question is this then, who controlled the Federal Gov. during this time? Was it the Dems?

[CVC]

Good point - the republicans are pro-gun and this happened under their watch so just think what might happen under the anti-gun dems ::-k

Seriously, it isn't about repubs v dems for me. When it comes to corruption, abuse of liberties, failures of moral character there is no difference between them. It is more about the government v the people.

[SoCoKHntr]

"The law-abiding gun owning citizens of New Orleans are having their life line severed and the American people are witnessing a giant gun confiscation drill.

There should be a howling, screaming the likes of which has never been heard against the Bush administration that is in control of New Orleans. If we let them legitimize gun confiscation for security, they are going to use this all over the country.

Lord Bush is already licking his lips and talking about making Gonzalez, a person who is adamantly anti-gun, his pick to succeed Rehnquist.

All Americans can now count on this: when you're in trouble or when you're in crisis, the "authorities" aren't going to come with aid. They're going to send a squad of goons to take advantage of the situation, take your guns and drag you off to a FEMA camp. This is what we pay taxes for. "

Taken from a sight I was just reading regarding the confiscation.

[SoCoKHntr]

CVC wrote: Good point - the republicans are pro-gun and this happened under their watch so just think what might happen under the anti-gun dems ::-k

Seriously, it isn't about repubs v dems for me. When it comes to corruption, abuse of liberties, failures of moral character there is no difference between them. It is more about the government v the people.

Yes, this I must agree with.

[Whelland]

It should be pointed out that the individuals responsible for ordering the gun confiscations in New Orleans were in fact democrats.

[expatriate]

Bingo. Ray Nagin is absolutely democrat -- and currently a superdelegate who has endorsed Obama. The governor of Louisiana at the time was democrat as well.

Stating a belief that guns won't be grabbed based on evidence is one thing. But saying it won't happen based on assumption, hopeful thinking, or downright denial is something entirely different.

[WesternHunter]

SoCokHntr, the only reason your .357 has not been taken away by the government is due to the fabulous work the NRA and other pro-gun organizations have done and are currently doing in Washington DC to protect our second amendment rights. So thank them and the millions of dollars spent defending yours and my 2nd amendment rights. It shouldn't have to be that way, but it is. If you are not already an NRA member, consider joining soon. The NRA is the real reason you can still own your guns. You should never become so complacent as to believe that the dems or repubs won't take away our guns.

I use Prohibition as a prefect example of what happens when certain rights, freedoms, and interests are not valued enough to be defended. I value my guns a heck of lot more than any beer or bourbon. Do you know how long prohibition was in the works before the whole country was under it's grip?? Since shortly after the civil war. Slowly and little by little, town by town, county by county, then state by state, then eventually the whole USA starting at the end of WWI. Despite it's repeal in 1933, today 75 years later even some small isolated towns and countys are still dry under it's grip. Had the breweries and distilleries had lobbyists in DC, none of it would have ever happened.

My point is that once certain freedoms and rights are no longer valued and no longer defended, they are taken away very swiftly. Once restrictions are in place, it's hard to shake them. The same thing is happening to our gun rights as we speak. The government and law enforcement in general has been infringing on our gun ownership rights since the 1930's and we have stalled them. If we don't continue to do so they will win. If we sat by and did nothing, our 2nd amendment rights will be erradicated from the constitution within months I'm certain. We the people are the voice and we should always be vigilant that our gun rights are under attack and have been for decades. We need to oppose any anti-gun legislation no matter how small the fight or the issue. Every politician should understand that.

[kittyGIRL]

McClellan has raised many issues with his new book WHAT HAPPENED that has led to strong criticism from the Republicans and a lot of questions from the media. That’s why i made a video poll in pollclash to see who do you think is more credible enough,, humm well im a democratic person but i must stay neutral to this.... Who's Right? Who's Credible?

What do you think?