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[expatriate]

csumerall wrote: Alot of people forget but a big reason Al Queda got as powerful as it did was because when we helped the afgans originally after USSR left we did too. Thus allowing the hardline muslim groups to come in and provide support for a country that didnt really have a plan or a means to reach it. I do believe that we both are on the same page more or less.

If you want to go there, then we need to point out that the guy who cooked up the covert scheme to help the mujahedin in Afghanistan, Charlie Wilson, was a Democrat.

[Whelland]

Let us not forget that a large portion of the problems in the middle east can be traced back to another Democrat..........Jimmy Carter. He is far more responsible for the problems in that region than most people realize.

[csumerall]

i realize that wilson was a democrat. I dont think of myself as a democrat, I am fairly conservative. I think that as far as this race goes I have to go with mccain but only due to the fact that with either of the democrats we would be speaking spanish in a matter a few years. All the choices are horrible none of them have any plan to do anything, except to pander to their own special intrests, or socialist agendas.

[SoCoKHntr]

What is this a Republican only forum? You fellers must be part of those die hard 30% who can't see the forrest for the trees and what this current admin and your party has done to this country for the last seven years. I am a veteran, a hunter, obviously a gun owner, and will never vote for a repub EVER!

You guys are hunters right? Do you care about having land to hunt on or being able to afford to hunt? Affording to fill up your tank to go hunting? Unless you are really wealthy guys who it doesn't affect do you realize the middle class of this country it taking it in the shorts? Not to mention all the lies and deceit the last seven years have given us. There are liars and morons in both parties but your guys' party has taken the cake when it comes to idiocy and corruption in recent times.

What's wrong with you guys?

[expatriate]

Ha ha...what a hoot. Corruption among Republicans? Don't get me started on Dems and things like $100K stuffed in a freezer. The difference is that Republicans hold crooks in their midst accountable while Democrats make excuses for them and back them. Republicans are also consistent in their condemnation. You won't hear a Republican attacking a Democrat's deviant behavior one day and then defending a Republican the next because it's his "personal life."

And as for sportsman's issues, check out every anti-gun, anti-ammo, anti hunting and anti-access issue in political discourse anywhere in the country right now and see who's pushing it-- tally it all up, come back, and we'll discuss which party supports sportsmen. Bring facts, not rhetoric, and we can discuss.

And if you want to branch out, we can discuss limits on speech, personal liberty, and hypocrisy when it comes to disenfranchised voters.

[SoCoKHntr]

expatriate wrote: Ha ha...what a hoot. Corruption among Republicans? Don't get me started on Dems and things like $100K stuffed in a freezer. The difference is that Republicans hold crooks in their midst accountable while Democrats make excuses for them and back them. Republicans are also consistent in their condemnation. You won't hear a Republican attacking a Democrat's deviant behavior one day and then defending a Republican the next because it's his "personal life."

And as for sportsman's issues, check out every anti-gun, anti-ammo, anti hunting and anti-access issue in political discourse anywhere in the country right now and see who's pushing it-- tally it all up, come back, and we'll discuss which party supports sportsmen. Bring facts, not rhetoric, and we can discuss.

And if you want to branch out, we can discuss limits on speech, personal liberty, and hypocrisy when it comes to disenfranchised voters.

That would boil down to you posting Rush talking points and I'm not even going to entertain the idea of that. Like I said I hunt, I own guns, I am a vet, and I as well as plenty of other guys I know who are similar to me hold the same views I do.

You are going to be sorely disappointed this fall and as much as you love to believe that all your guns will be taken away from you if a Dem gets elected you will fail to see this happen. However, you will create some new rhetoric to get your blood pressure up so you can wail about the Dems ending the world as we know it.

[CVC]

I think people who only vote party-line are foolish. There is bad and good within each party and one should vote the candidate and not the party.

To vote for an inferior candidate simply because of their party affliation is counter-productive.

[csumerall]

In washington if you choose democrat or republican for the primaries you must vote all republicans or dems. But in the general you can vote inbetween. Expatriate, I realize you may not be pro mccain but you have to admit that he is better than the other two choices. Soco, while you may be well intentioned, you cannot place blame soley, on the republican party. How many years ago did the whole topic of ANWAR come up, it was shot down. The forests that are clear cut are a majority of privately owed property that is used as a RENEWABLE resource. They provide jobs, and a good product that is widely used. While we may have been taking it in the shorts as you say, when these involuntary unversal health care, college fund, and other government programs fire up you wont even have shorts to take it in.

[JTapia]

CVC wrote: I think people who only vote party-line are foolish. There is bad and good within each party and one should vote the candidate and not the party.

To vote for an inferior candidate simply because of their party affliation is counter-productive.


I could not agree more CVC.

Ex, will you run for political Office?
I would most certainly vote for you !!! :thumbsup1:

[bitmasher]

Quote: What is this a Republican only forum?

Not really, its just that the hypocrisy of the potential democratic presidential nominees is particularly poignant these days. Hillary campaigning on a pro-gun platform? What kind of quackery is this?

I agree with CVC.

[expatriate]

One thing I find particularly tiring is the standard left wing playbook. Lots of people throw a lot of emotion and rhetoric out there, but if you debate them point by point with facts they accuse you of not having a mind of your own, call you names, accuse you of lying, say you're a stooge for Rush, Halliburton, oil companies, you name it -- anything but refute arguments and debate with logic and facts.

As for November I wouldn't be so cocky, SoCo. Obama's long on style, short on substance. People like the IDEA of Obama, but not necessarily the facts of Obama. He's too green, his politics are too ham-handed and transparent, the demographics he's winning won't carry the election, and he's too liberal. Americans like their presidents to be patriots who believe in their country, not pessimists who see only fault in their country. And why has Hillary been struggling so much? Because of perceptions that she isn't being straight, and whenever she gets questioned she screams that she's being victimized. Americans don't want presidents to be snake oil salesmen, and they want their presidents to be strong and not whine about being picked on. Obama doesn' t get that -- try to pin him down and he dodges he issue by claiming that it's some sort of dirty attack. I believe people are tired of that garbage and that they want a president who'll answer instead of dodge. And finally, Americans don't like to elect pacifists when they feel people are out to get them. If that wasn't enough, Obama's been struggling to win over his own party. It's not going to get easier for him when he has to win over conservatives and all the Hillary supporters who hate his guts.

And by the way, SoCo -- here's a smattering of things to think about: bans on lead bullets in CA, bans on black bear hunting in NJ, expensive programs to control deer populations with contraceptives instead of hunting, draconian restrictions on transporting firearms (check out NY and MA), closing forest service roads, and proposals to require microstamping of ammunition, just to name a few. It ain't conservatives or Republicans pushing 'em. On the other hand, if you look at initiatives to open more land to hunters and roll back firearm restrictions, you'll find that most of the time it's conservatives pushing them.

Also...check Obama's record when it comes to gun ownership. What a politician does in the execution of his office is far more important than what he says while pursuing it. While you're at it, check out the records of committee chairs in the House and Senate, and consider where things will go if the Dems get all three branches and control judicial appointments. A gun owner voting for Obama is like an Israeli voting for Bin Laden. Stop listening to what he's saying and read what he's done.

[SoCoKHntr]

I will just say this. I am voting for Obama. I am not worried about losing any of my rifles and will likely purchase quite a few more during the years of his Presidency. You talk about emotional rhetoric? You guys wrote the book on that. Everything scares you, scares you to death. Any one who doesn't think exactly like you is the enemy. To be honest that kind of thinking is akin to the hard line thinking of the Taliban instead of a brave patriot.

Tell you what though, you keep on listening to Rush and let him tell you how to think and who your enemy should be. I'll be glad our country is getting back on track and be doing some shooting and hunting.

Ciao

[CVC]

SoCoKHntr wrote: I will just say this. I am voting for Obama. I am not worried about losing any of my rifles and will likely purchase quite a few more during the years of his Presidency. You talk about emotional rhetoric? You guys wrote the book on that. Everything scares you, scares you to death. Any one who doesn't think exactly like you is the enemy. To be honest that kind of thinking is akin to the hard line thinking of the Taliban instead of a brave patriot.

Tell you what though, you keep on listening to Rush and let him tell you how to think and who your enemy should be. I'll be glad our country is getting back on track and be doing some shooting and hunting.

Ciao

Your post is very disappointing. To categorize fellow hunters based on their party affliation is disheartening to say the least.

Yes, I am a republican, yes I am conservative, but I don't follow Rush. He is an entertainer, not a political leader. I do not think like the Taliban and to suggest so is offensive.

This is America - you have the right to vote for whichever candidate you choose. I do not support McCain, but I do believe he is the lesser of three very weak candidates. I do think Obama will create a political evironment where we will see more attacks on our 2nd amendment right and will try to appoint liberal, anti-gun, anti-hunting judges both at the federal level and to ths SCOTUS if an opportunity presents itself.

I harbor no anger towards you because you have a different political view than me. It is unfortunate that you don't share that same point of view and feel the need to attack me simply because of my political affliation.

[SoCoKHntr]

CVC, I will make an apology to you. You do come across as a very reasonable man and again an apology is warranted. My unwarranted hostility arises from being a gun owning sportsmen a lifelong hunter and dealing with a majority of peers who's ideology is mostly in line with the likes of Rush, Nugent, and other hate filled propagandists.

The thing that really irks me about the rights view points is the you are with us or against us mentality. I don't share that view and wouldn't expect any one to agree with all of my views down the line. I am a free thinking live and let live kinda guy as long as others don't infringe on my space. I would pick up arms in a moment in legitimate defense of this country. I just can't reconcile what the current admin has done to this country and how you have diehards that still support and want more of the same.

[csumerall]

I keep hearing the same thing over and over again. Its "I cant stand what this current administration has done to this country" or "President Bush has been the worst president ever." What exactly has been so horribly bad. There have been some unfortunate events that have taken place but I cant think of anyone who ran against him that would have handled it any better. People talk about the mortgage crisis, I say you shouldnt have bought more house than you can afford. To the fuel issues, we have known that this was going to be a problem for a long time and our hands have been tied so there has been little drilling. Weak economy/recession, you may be surprised but its not as bad as the media would have you believe, look at the unemployment numbers. As fantastic as is it is you CANNOT always have job growth, there will always be the ebb and flow. Health care, there are issues there but if insurance is important you will make it a priority. I dont know how many people say they cant afford health insurance but they are driving around in a brand new car. The list goes on and on.