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bitmasher



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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Hillary wins PA  

The little blond man with boobs (Peggy Noonan's description) just doesn't give up...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI.....index.html

Can't wait until this circus shows up in Denver.
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expatriate



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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:01 am    Post subject:  

That's why Howard Dean wants to seal the deal before it gets to Denver.

It certainly looks like the Democrats are screwed. They created this "super delegate" business to enable the party to throw a trump card in case the population picked the wrong person. Funny how they scream about voter disenfranchisement, the popular vote, and every vote counting, and yet they make sure the actual power in their nomination process hinges on party cronies instead of the electorate. What hyporcites.

Unfortunately for them, they apparently didn't think it through. No matter which person wins, half of the party will implode in allegations of corruption and disenfranchisement -- especially since super delegates have been receiving money from campaigns. The screaming will be particularly loud if Hillary wins -- only they'll add charges of racism to it as well.

If Obama wins it, all the Republicans need to do is show the list of people indorsing Obama: Louis Farrakhan, Jimmy Carter, Michael Moore, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, etc. It's simple: you're known by the company you keep. Who do you trust more with the future of our nation?
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Whelland



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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:  

Truthfully, it doesn't matter to me whether Hillary or Obama gets the Democratic nomination.......neither one of them will get my vote.

Quite frankly, I'm also fed up with all of the news coverage for the Democrat's and the lack of coverage for the Republican's.
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expatriate



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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:38 am    Post subject:  

Don't worry -- the press will go after the Republicans in due time. Once the Democrat nominee is declared, the press will wipe all of this away and give the nominee a free ride while they blister the Republicans.

Part of the lack of Republican coverage right now is they're being quiet for a reason. With Hillary and Obama tearing each other apart, McCain would be an idiot to get involved. All that would do is give them an excuse to attack him and thus deflect attention away from their bickering. Better to sit back and let them go at it. They're doing more damage to each other than he could ever do.

P.S. -- I also find it hilarious to see how badly the Dems have screwed up their process. All that caterwauling they've done about disenfranchisement, popular vote, and electoral irregularities during every election they lost since 2000, and yet look how the process would run if they were in charge. These are just primaries -- where they can set their own rules without opposition. And yet they've managed to completely disenfranchise two entire states (Michigan and Florida) and make the nomination hinge on party cronies instead of popular vote. So much for every vote counting. I was in Texas during their primary, and their system there was downright laughable -- Dems had to vote in the primary and then go back and vote a second time in the caucuses. So Hillary did better in the primary and Obama did better in the caucuses. It's like they're trying to screw it up.

What a joke -- if this is how they run things, there's no way these people need to be anywhere near the reins of political power. They can't even manage the people they agree with -- how would they ever manage an entire nation and diverse political opinion?
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buffybr



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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject:  

Quote: What a joke -- if this is how they run things, there's no way these people need to be anywhere near the reins of political power. They can't even manage the people they agree with -- how would they ever manage an entire nation and diverse political opinion?
But the saddest part of this joke is that there are people who think that one of these clowns should be President of the United States. It's not only sad, it's scary!
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bitmasher



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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:00 pm    Post subject:  

Yes the continued fighting between Clinton and Obama has taken some of the wind out of Obama's sail. I think most people already know what to expect from Hillary and where she stands (regardless of party affliation). On the other hand, Obama was (and to a certain extent still is) riding the "change" wave. However, the last six weeks with Clinton's attacks have shown that Obama is nothing more than another Democrat with a somewhat elitist mindset. The "working class clings to guns or religion" comes to mind...

Clinton attacks force Obama to get down to the details of what "change" entails and when he has to verbalize his plans (his change) its revealed as more of just the same, no magic at all. This is work McCain would have had to undertake and still probably will, but at least Hillary is doing some of the work for McCain.

Clinton may still get the nod, especially considering MI and FL results that are being discounted at this stage.

I find the tenacity of the Clinton machine astounding. Clearly it probably would have been best for her party if she had stepped aside six weeks ago. But her and her war team simply will not stand down. Blowing money and political clout in the process. She very well may win the battle (the nomination) but in doing so lose the war (the presidency).
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csumerall



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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject:  

I personally find it amusing they are fighting so much and allowing the republicans to get a good head start. Also I find it ironic that both hillary and obama talk about how they are not elitist's but they belong to a party that has a system in place that actually makes the regular people's vote unimportant with the super delegates. Just in case you and I dont really know what we need. Ok maybe not you and me but some people. I just sit back and enjoy the free enterianment.
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CVC



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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject:  

csumerall wrote: I personally find it amusing they are fighting so much and allowing the republicans to get a good head start. .

::-k There is a republican running? Nah, you're joking right? Surely ain't that McCain guy that is bashing the NC Republican party - a republican wouldn't tell the NC republican party they're out of touch with reality would one?
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csumerall



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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject:  

He is the republican canidate, I personally wouldnt make him my first pick but on the other hand given the choice between obama, hillary or mccain. It comes down to picking which one is the least worst. In my opinion he is unreliable. But I know i dont think that everyone shouldnt have to have universal healthcare and so far mccain hasnt talked about raising taxes, licensing firearms ect. And in all actuallity Mcain will only be around for 1 term. But If you look at just the facts we would be better of with Mcain than either of the other two.
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CVC



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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject:  

McCain may be the lesser of three evils and he may be the one I vote for, but he doesn't represent what I believe is a republican candidate. He is more aligned with the democrats than the republicans.

I may feel better about voting for him if he picks a good vice president candidate.
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csumerall



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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject:  

Last I heard the party is pushing him towards colin powell
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expatriate



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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject:  

Powell would be a mistake. For one thing, the Dems are trying to argue that McCain's administration would be a continuation of Bush. Picking Colin Powell as VP would feed that notion -- Powell was George Senior's right hand during Desert Storm, and led the charge into Iraq. If McCain were to pick Powell, the Dems would continuously run the footage of Powell at the UN going over all the evidence to prove that Saddam had dangerous WMD programs.

Powell would be good at throwing the race card into the discard pile, but otherwise, he used up his collateral when he argued the case against Iraq in the lead up to OIF. Great guy, highly intelligent...but politically spent.

McCain would be better served with a VP that had bona fide conservative credentials, to help reassure those on the right that don't trust his leanings.
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csumerall



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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:40 am    Post subject:  

Actually The lefties have freely admitted that a mccain powell ticket out there and they would be done. Dont know if anyone else does it but I like to listen to air america a little bit for enterianment purposes and They come out and say that with powell mccain is unbeatable.
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expatriate



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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject:  

Air America is off its leftist rocker. Powell would sink McCain because the connection to the Iraq war justification would have the left frothing at the mouth and his leftist leanings would seal McCain's fate with the right. Powell really isn't that conservative.

I've got to think that Air America's intent is to play "Anything but that", thinking the Republicans will bite on it believing it's what the left is afraid of - when that's what the left wanted all along. It's straight out of Sun Tzu -- feign weakness to lure the enemy into doing what you want him to do.
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csumerall



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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject:  

That is true about the comunist air america. But, a majority of the conservitive radio host are also talking about powel as vice president as being a good thing. Unfortunately Mccain is the only option this year and in 4 years I would plan on seeing obama back. He maybe not a good option but atleast with Iraq(he says) that he is willing to get the job done. Alot of people forget but a big reason Al Queda got as powerful as it did was because when we helped the afgans originally after USSR left we did too. Thus allowing the hardline muslim groups to come in and provide support for a country that didnt really have a plan or a means to reach it. I do believe that we both are on the same page more or less.
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