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greatamericanhuntingstore



Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:43 am    Post subject: What is your opinion on the 08 presidential race this fall w  

What is your opinion on the 08 presidential race this fall with the left side having the Clintons and Obama and then people stating change Change and Change? They see a star that will change in Obama. But wait what has the candidate done. All thru school people tought that we learn from history so we study history. History has showed us that we can not trust a person who is running for political office we need to learn from there past work, So wait let us ask this question. What has Obama change in his past? We work hard for what we have. And in business when you are going to hire a person to run your business would you check that person credentials’ or would you just listen to that person and hire that person for what that person said and decide to roll the dice and give that person a 4 year contract to run your business. After you hire that person you have no say what that person does, what that person says and most important what that person policy on any thing any were and any how he thows your money around.

Let’s look at the left for a moment and compare the two:
Clinton Obama
Lawyer Yes Yes
State Politics Yes Yes
US Senator Yes Yes
Ran for President Yes Yes

I can keep going but you know The Differences will be easier to list after looking at the voting on the hill.
Clinton Obama
Woman Man
White Black
Anything else? Know above I only see one thing that sticks out for me and that is guns. Gender and race has no issue with me or my family. But the military and my guns do.

So when you vote for changes remember check them out and see what changes you are talking about. Change is not always good. If you go from a hemp rope to nylon rope it is still a rope. Only different is the ropes were made diferent but they all will work the same.

I am not supporting anyone but check out and see what changes that they have done before you want change.
Troy
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Chuck-n-Alaska



Joined: 26 Apr 2007
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Location: Alaska

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject:  

If any one of the three "leaders" get elected you better expect more messin' your gun rights. It's only going to get worse.
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CVC



Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Posts: 1155
Location: Kansas

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject:  

Chuck-n-Alaska wrote: If any one of the three "leaders" get elected you better expect more messin' your gun rights. It's only going to get worse.

Can't disagree with your statement, but wanted to add they can't do it alone. They need Congress to do it too so it is very important to watch what is happening and contact your Senators and Congressmen.

You can make a difference.
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WesternHunter



Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 685
Location: Western USA

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject:  

It's a real sh*ter. I'll probably end up casting my vote for Ron Paul, though I really doubt that he has any chance. As long as we have a pro-gun congress I guess we'll be okay. Only one thing I like about Obama is that he is very opposed to the national ID card, you know, the REAL ID. Clinton is on the fence, needs more review of it. I wish more republicans were against it.
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greatamericanhuntingstore



Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:44 pm    Post subject:  

I know what you all mean on congress but don't forget executive orders that the President can sign. We can loose a lot of things without being voted on. Also don't forget the Supreme Court.
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CVC



Joined: 04 Mar 2006
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Location: Kansas

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject:  

You are right, the influence that the President can have on the SCOTUS is the scary part if the wrong President gets in office.
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Great West



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Posts: 49
Location: Sandhills of Nebraska

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject:  

This guy pretty well hits on the head as to my feelings for the upcoming election. First time I ever read any of Gary Hubbel's articles and I sure like what he had to say.



Angry White Man

I would like to think I fit into his description.
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WesternHunter



Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 685
Location: Western USA

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject:  

I like to think that I do to, but I'd only be lying to myself.

I think that article is just a way of making us feel better about ourselves. Unfortunately I've never met one American whiteman yet who came very close having ALL those desireable qualites. All the angry white men I know of are all middle aged, unemployed, disgruntled guys who spend all their free time calling into daytime conservative talk show radio to complain and blame all the minorities and non-white immigrants for all their misfortunes in life. I once heard someone say that it's the empty tin that rattles the most and makes the most noise. As I go through life I can really see the truth in that.

Only one person I've know to come close to having most of those qualities, believe it or not, was an old Japanese guy I once lived next to. Real old fashioned values. He was a real moderate guy too, his actions spoke volumes though.
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expatriate



Joined: 26 Oct 2002
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Location: Alaska

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject:  

I for one don't see where the color of one's skin has anything to do with political philosophy -- and I'm tired of people (on both sides) telling me that it does. I don't think of it so much as "angry white man" as it is people of any race or gender or being sick of our political process being focused on rewarding victims, not victors, and a political philosophy driven by the idea that you benefit society by lowering standards instead of raising behaviors.

So I take umbrage to the stereotypes the author employs in his analysis. There are enough people out there on the left trying to portray hunters and NRA members as a bunch of white rednecks. We don't need another one.
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greatamericanhuntingstore



Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:17 am    Post subject:  

I have never once said anything to race or gender. All I stated was that was a difference. I stated it is a difference. There are more of the two are the same than are different. You can tell all of us the difference on there voting on the hill.
My point is this and you took one little thing out of what I said. And I quote

"Gender and race has no issue with me or my family. But the military and my guns do. "
There is a difference in this issue when the candidates and news wants it to be. There has probably no other president alive has done more for race and gender than Bill Clinton and I have herd him called Racist just recently so the cards can be played by certain people and is allowed.

This was my point and I will spell it out. We have 2 candidates running around stating CHANGE what have they change so far in office as senator. The voting records state for them selves. Congress is more worried about Drugs in Baseball than gas. We have a check coming from the government to help the economy but we have 2 candidates say to raise taxes only on the rich. Do you think that they are going to raise taxes on them selves?
Last time I checked my bank I did not have 5 million to loan my self if you all do great for you.

Authors Point is this you have to go by there records and not what they say. Actions speak louder than words!
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expatriate



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Location: Alaska

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject:  

I thought it was pretty clear I was addressing Gary Hubbell's comments, not yours.
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Whelland



Joined: 16 Jan 2007
Posts: 504
Location: Kingston, MI

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:11 am    Post subject:  

To hear the news, it's not a question of if a Democrat will win. It is a question of how big the win will be.

I don't believe that. Americans need to draw the line at Clinton's or Obama's plans for massive tax hikes and dramatic increases in government spending on new programs. While Senator's Clinton and Obama are fighting amongst themselves to see who will be the first to surrender to extremists and terrorists, I am not willing to sit idly by and allow Clinton or Obama to win.

Register to vote. Call and write letters. Our elected officials need to know where we stand on the issues. We cannot allow these gun grabbing anti-hunters to enter the White House.
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PKY1520



Joined: 08 Dec 2007
Posts: 9
Location: nashville, tn

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:14 am    Post subject: 08 Pres Race  

Is everyone serious? Both Obama and Clinton have democratic ideals and constituents. Check youtube.com for Clinton gun control and you will see how she feels about 2nd amendment rights. The fact is, even though McCain might have a liberal record for a Republican he still has to appease a conservative base. Since Huckabee is out of the race, there is no candidate that really represents sportsmen, but a real pragmatist will realize that only a Republican will support your rights as a hunter. Don't waste your vote with a 3'd party and please don't vote for some ambiguous ''change.'' John McCain is the ONLY candidate who doesn't want to take away your 2nd amendment RIGHTS as an AMERICAN and as a hunter.

I wish Teddy Roosevelt could come back, but it isn't happening. You have to find the candidate that will do the least damage. John McCain is the obvious choice.
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buffybr



Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Montana, USA

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject:  

Quote: I'll probably end up casting my vote for Ron Paul, though I really doubt that he has any chance.
The last Presidential election was decided by only a few hundred votes.

This is too important an election and and it is for too important a position to waste your vote on someone that has no chance in winning. You may be voicing your opinion that you don't like any of the top running candidates, but in the end, one of the top two will be President.

Ron Paul may be the most Second Amendment friendly candidate, but in the final count, a vote for Ron Paul is essentially a vote for Billary or Osama.
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VT Surf-N-Turf



Joined: 02 Feb 2008
Posts: 46
Location: VT NEK

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject:  

According to the US Fish and Wildlife Service 12.5 million Americans (5% of the total population) hunted last year and spent $23 Billion.

See this link: http://www.fws.gov/news/newsre.....D40A3656AF

With the economic state of our nation in the condition that it is in, why would anyone in government mess with that sized portion of the economy? The outcry from over 12 million citizens (constituents), as well as the industry itself, would be mighty loud. I myself am not afraid of loosing my hunting rights if the left takes executive power. Handgun rights however, are another story.

In my opinion, the best thing for the republicans would be for Hillary to get the nomination. If she does, the level of resentment is so high that every republican would band together to defeat her. If she should win the general election, I'm afraid that nothing would get done in this country because of the right's vehement hatred of her. It would spark overwhelming partisan fighting in both houses and we would simply spend four years spinning our governmental wheels. If Obama wins the general election, I think he will spend four years finding out just how difficult changing anything in government really is. I think the Jr. Senator would get a hard knock education. Again, ineffectual government.

As for anyone surrendering to extremists and terrorists: Face it. We already have. Where is Osama Bin Laden?! Has everyone taken their eye off the ball on this one? What, are we supposed to just shut up and eat our freedom fries while he remains alive and free, planning his next strike? All while we sink deeper into a wastefull quagmire of our own making. Now the republicans promise more of the same. That should let you know how I feel about our current, ineffectual administration.

I don't pretend to be an expert on any of this or have any idea how to solve it. I'm just a citizen trying to decide between the best of three evils.
Just my frustrated rant. :](*,)
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