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[CVC]

Listened to Wildlife and Parks make a presentation to the KS legislature today. Lots of proposed changes for 08.

They want to simplify the permitting system. One thing I didn't like was having the special muzzleloader season be the first two weeks of archery season. They said the muzzleloaders and the archers can cohabitate. I told the guy afterward that I can't speak for all hunters, but I can't as an archer cohabitate with muzzleloaders or rifle hunters.

I do like that the either sex permit will be statewide and you can use any legal weapon for the season. So, I can hunt during bow season and if I don't get the big buck with my bow, I can use that same permit, pick up a rifle and hunt during the rifle season.

[redrider]

Do you have a link to the new proposals?
I'm with you on the muzzleloader over lapping with archery, I like the idea of muzzle being early, closer to normal feeding patterns.
Really like the idea of the tags being used for both seasons. Never understood why it hasn't been like that to begin with.

[hunter777]

Unless you are talking about a patch and round ball and flintlock ignition (or some similar setup) when I think of a muzzleloader I think of a rifle because thats what it is.....just my thoughts on it.

[plainview]

Here's the press release:

KANSAS DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE AND PARKS DEER TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS
Posted: 10 Jan 2007 02:32 PM CST
Deer recommendations presented to Kansas Wildlife and Parks Commission; next step, Kansas Legislature

Last January, the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks Deer Task Force presented the Kansas Legislature draft recommendations to simplify and condense deer-related statutes. The recommendations also addressed many other deer permitting issues and could affect many different constituencies, so the Task Force requested a year to solicit input from the public before making final recommendations. After conducting surveys and public meetings throughout the past year, the 10-member Task Force has assembled a final set of recommendations that will be presented to the legislature this month.

The overall goals of the Task Force are similar to those listed a year ago:

Reduce and simplify deer-related statutes to allow changes and continuing adjustments necessary for permitting and resource management to be made through the regulatory process

Through regulation, establish a permitting system that distributes permits fairly while conserving the deer resource and hunting traditions.

Simplify the permitting process while increasing and improving deer hunting opportunities for residents hunters.

Develop a formula/model to establish nonresident deer permit numbers that satisfy desires of resident landowners and protect resident hunting opportunities.

Resident Deer Permit recommendations:

Establish resident, statewide, whitetail either sex, any season permit

Establish resident statewide archery either species, either sex permit

Establish two units for use of limited either species, either sex firearms and muzzleloader permits.

Maintain 19 Deer Management Units for use of whitetail antlerless only permits

Eliminate whitetail antlerless only game tags – instead establish one type of whitetail antlerless only permit, the first one purchased is valid on public or private land statewide. Up to four additional permits can be purchased and are valid only in specific units and on private land and designated public lands.

Eliminate transferable Hunt-Own-Land permit – instead allow lineal family members, two generations up or down from landowner to qualify for HOL, regardless of residency – one per 80 acres.

Nonresident Deer Permit recommendations:

Eliminate the landowner/transferable nonresident permit – establish nonresident permit quotas based on demand, landowner tolerance and resource biology. An adjustment number will be determined using seven factors: Population trends, deer-related vehicle accidents, age structure, deer damage, landowner desire for NR deer permits, and general public desires, health and habitat (professional judgment). The adjustment factor will be used to determine 2008 permit numbers based on an average of NR demand from the previous 6 years, however, we recommend not less than a 10 percent increase per DMU and not more than 50 percent increase per unit (Unit 16 is the exception).

Maintain 18 Deer Management Units for all nonresident hunting

Establish “Hunter Designate” permit application process – setting quotas of whitetail deer permits and allowing applicants to designate season/hunt type – either archery, muzzleloader or rifle.

Establish a mule deer stamp. When a nonresident applies for an archery or muzzleloader whitetail either sex permit in DMU 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 16, 17, and 18, they will have an option of applying for a limited number of mule deer stamps that, if they are drawn, will convert their muzzleloader or archery whitetail either sex permit to an either species permit. Stamp cost -- $100.

Seasons:

Open youth and persons with disabilities season on the Friday before the second to last full weekend in September, running it through Sunday.

Open the muzzleloader and archery seasons on the following Monday. Run the muzzleloader season through two full weekends and the archery season through Dec. 31.

Maintain season structure for all other seasons.

Permits:

Establish half-price permits for youth

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[Humpin Buck]

Quoting: Eliminate transferable Hunt-Own-Land permit – instead allow lineal family members, two generations up or down from landowner to qualify for HOL, regardless of residency – one per 80 acres.

This is a MUST.... I think there is too many "guides" getting land owners tags transfered to the out-of-staters. I know they are technically "paying" for their tag through the grossly overpirced "guide" fee, but neither the "guide", nor the land owner, is paying the non-resident fee on the tag that a non-resident is using. I pay full price for my tags, and I live here!!! Non-residents (or the guide) should be paying full non-resident prices for their tags.

I'm not against non-residents coming into the state to hunt. I'm more than wiling to share the state with others. This is a wonderfull place. I am concerned about the stipulations on which non-residents are getting in here to hunt, and the lack of stipulations/accountability of "guides" (I use the term "guide" loosley) in this state. It seems that anyone can become a "guide" if they have the access to the land. The land owners have figured out they can make money off of it. The "guides" certainly make money off of it............and the rest of us Good 'ol Boys/Ladies lose out on the availibility of private ground to hunt on. Sorry to get off on a rant here.....but I've lost thousands of acres over the last several years to leasing for guided hunts, and it sucks!! Instead of it being a comradery between the land owners and the hunters, it's all become big business. Pay to hunt, and it's getting worse and worse every year. It's just too easy to become a "guide".

[redrider]

I think that the way it stands now a Hunt own Land permit can only be transfered to one generation family member. They cannot be transferred to anyone else resident or non-resident. The tags that are being transferred to non- resident are non-resident tags that have been purchased at full price by a resident.
Definitely alot of confusion the way it is set up now :yes:

[CVC]

The opening remarks by Wildlife and Parks was that the current system is too confusing and needs to be simplified.

I read the rules and find it extremely difficult to understand what I am required to do.

[hesseu]

at least where you live the out of state tags aren't a hundred bucks and OTC :sad:

i wish missouri would make it to where what an out-of-stater's home state chargers for their out of state tags, is what an out of stater would pay.

[Humpin Buck]

If I'm not mistaken, non-residents can by OTC at the parks office but they are charged the appropriate fees.

[hesseu]

i know you can on leftovers, but it has to be for the appropriate unit. in missouri you can hunt anywhere you darn well please as long as you have permission or its public

[redrider]

Here is your link to deer permits and tags.
http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/hu....._fees/deer

Leftovers over the counter and Regular permits are by draw only for non-resident. If they are not drawn they recieve a preference point. Preference points can also be purchased separately.

[Kshunter]

The proposed changes are a big improvement, compared to what was originally proposed. No OTC NR tags, and No T-Tags, is a big step in the right direction. I don't support the change of the early ML either, from a Archery or ML hunter standpoint. IMO, it's much easier patterning bucks in early Sept, than early Oct. Maybe the weather isn't as nice but hey, that's hunting. I'd gladly trade the 1st two weeks of Oct. for the early ML season; if that was even an option.

The only hidden agenda I see though, is that even with NR tags being strictly Draw in 2008, they are still going to raise the NR quota's, not less than 10%, but not over 50%. And History has shown us that Hayden has almost always went for the max in regards to raising quota's, in his support of commercialization. So even though the proposed changes sound good, there are still some major bugs we need to work on still. And as long as Hayden is in office, there will always be a fight... Residents & Wildlife -vs- Hayden & Commercialization.

Just my .02

[ndemiter]

whoever is managing ohio deer hunting needs to take over in kansas. ohio has one deer tag, good from sept 30 to feb 3rd. same tag no matter what the weapon. but gun season is only 10 days with and additional 4 days of muzzle-loader later on. in each season, you can always use a bow. and the limits are generous... man i miss those days... 3 deer a year... now it's 7 deer a year limit, i'm going back in october for some pre-rut action... i just may kill 7.

[rookie in kansas]

I will tell you, moving here from NC back in 2005 and I was lost when I went to buy a license. In NC you pay one price for a license that got you 4 - 6 deer, 1 pig, 2 turkeys and a bear. And you just used the weapon authorized for the season that was open. PA, where I grew up was similiar in that you had a deer license/tag and if you want to muzzy or bow hunt you bought the appropriate stamp in addition to the deer tag. Glad it may be better come in 2008.

[redrider]

Definitely can get a little confusing, we'll have to see how much easier it gets.