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[Don Fischer]

Just had an interesting though. The Nosler Partition came about presumably because John Nosler had a premium bullet of that time fail on a moose. The story is that he was using a 300H&H. Yes I just looked it up. It doesn't say what bullet it was. The story is that there was so much mud on the bulls shoulder the bullet couldn't penetrate. That was 1946 and I'm told that the 300 H&H was then about like the 30-06 of today.

I have no idea how much mud you can pack on the shoulder of a moose nor how much mud it takes to stop a bullet from a 300 H&H but the bullet that resulted from this incident certainly set a standard didn't it? Now people either love them or hate them or like myself, just are unwilling to pay for them. And after all the years of being infallible, we now are told that the Barnes X bullet is preferred. I wonder what will knock the Barnes X off the hill, I doubt I'll be here to see it. But until then, if I am, I'm going to keep on using good cup and core bullets in appropriate caliber and weight for the game I'm hunting and keep them loaded to reasonable velocity for their construction and use them at reasonable ranges.

It was just a thought! :yes:

[fuzzybear]

I've never seen a Partition that was dug out of a moose but I have seen a few Barnes X's that were dug out of Elk. Every one had a nice mushroom shape with the petals rolled back. Very impressive.

Don, you made a good point.
In most cases. The reason for bullet failure is because the bullet of choice was used beyond it's manufacturers velocity range recommendation. Select the proper bullet, as per manufacturers recommendation of usage, and you have the proper bullet for the need at hand.

I like the spitzer poly or soft point bonded cores simply because they don't come apart in the extreme circumstance. Cup and core with a bit of just in case insurance.

[atomikall]

Remington Core lokt for me over nosler anyday and on any big game animal we have they will not fail. Never had one fail And I dont know if I will. :thumbsup1:

[maddenwh]

I've heard a couple of PH's complain about Barnes "X"'s because they caused too much meat damage or just blew up. Seems to me that that would only apply to magnum velocity cals, but on moose, I would suspect you'd want something with reasonable penetration. I suppose shooting them out of a lower velocity gun might make them work like a charm for all I know. I've never killed anything with a Barnes X. Has anyone heard of or experienced these perfomance issues I've mentioned. ::-k

Here's what I'm talking about... http://www.go-on-safari.com/ta.....php?t=1102

[atomikall]

I try to only use winchester and remington ammunition but Ill try different things out, but have never shot an animal with barnes shells.

[Don Fischer]

maddenwh wrote: I've heard a couple of PH's complain about Barnes "X"'s because they caused too much meat damage or just blew up. Seems to me that that would only apply to magnum velocity cals, but on moose, I would suspect you'd want something with reasonable penetration. I suppose shooting them out of a lower velocity gun might make them work like a charm for all I know. I've never killed anything with a Barnes X. Has anyone heard of or experienced these perfomance issues I've mentioned. ::-k

Here's what I'm talking about... http://www.go-on-safari.com/ta.....php?t=1102

I saw somewhere some photo's of Barnes X's that supposeably blew up; I doubt it. The photo's that accopnanied the complaint show one very bad grazing shot and two others that were probably done with something liks a Sierra Match King. Some goon thought he'd give'em a try in africa then laid the blame for failure on Barnes bullet's.

I don't use Barnes bullet's, never have and no intention of ever doing so. But it would be impossible to blow one up, it's solid copper! Velocity should not effect them much at all.

[91xlt]

barnes x is a excellent bullet...never saw one that was not a perfect mushroom.

the ph's i was with in africa, had nothing but excellent reveiws of 'em.

[maddenwh]

Good to know. I might try some out on pigs first. I've also heard from some guys on AR that absolutely hate the barnes "X" bullets, and I've heard from others that swear by them. I guess I'll just have to see for myself. Thanks for the help fellas. :thumbsup1:

[Don Fischer]

I think most people that hate any bullet, used it improperly or, in the case of the Barnes, not at all. I have never used the Barnes but it's a no brainer that a solid copper bullet is not coming apart. I have wondered about it opening and there have been reports I trust where it didn't. But, even if a bullet doesn't open, if it's well placed in the vitals and penertates, it'll do the job.

[Widux]

Seen a few 5 gallon buckets ( at meat processors) filled with beat up partitions--Funny thing was that they all came out of dead Moose or boo--that says something---

[Hammer1]

So all the Nosler partitions are saved in five gallon buckets, The Cor loks have their own buckets etc etc.
My question is this: How do you Tell the difference.?? ::-k ::-k

[Widux]

Right--we always count each bucket after season is over--BWAAA-I was only pointing out that whilst many arm chair hunters blast(pun) at partitions --they do the job- not many folks in AK that I knew used core lokts and most didn't buy factory stuff either--Heck i ain't a stats guy anyway--Use what ever you like--

[Don Fischer]

Hammer1 wrote: So all the Nosler partitions are saved in five gallon buckets, The Cor loks have their own buckets etc etc.
My question is this: How do you Tell the difference.?? ::-k ::-k

Good grief Hammer. Everyone knows the corelocks are in the bucket on the right! :laugh:

[Widux]

Thanks Don-- I couldn't remember which was right and which was left---

[atomikall]

The buckets were probably full with core lokts. Both buckets! :thumbsup1: