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Hammer1 · Joined: 03 Dec 2005 Posts: 1611

Have a little read hear Rambo concerning early rimfire calibres

www.chuckhawks.com/early_metallic_cartridges.htm -

RRIES · Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 66 Location: WI/MT

In old lever action rifles I have slugged many of them and have gotten many dif diameters. Tooling was not as nice as today. Also I have one rifle that shoots soft lead cut to .307 very well. There was a model 94 made for a 307 catridge. this was a .308 diameter bullet just like the 30-30. Oh sorry I see this has already been said.

Also for all of you tubular krankers out there, the great Hornady company now has soft pointed tips which are safe to load in tubular magazines. Now we can get better B.C. if they were realy ever needed.

Hammer1 · Joined: 03 Dec 2005 Posts: 1611

Rambo:
I know it was just a typo, but " the safety doesn't work, it's still a good gun".. For the new memers that may be reading this for the first time: A firearm with no Safety is DANGEROUS.

Igoing to do a little research on the 30.30 rimfire & post back..

Don Fischer · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 2150 Location: Antelope, Ore

Many bench rest rifles have no safty. They are not dangerious guns. Dangerious guns are any guns in the hands of people not well schooled in their use. I like safety's but the gun itself is just an object.

I agree with you Hammer, but this just seems a good place to inject the idea that "Guns don't kill, people do!".

spooke · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 4

Checking my Modern Reloading book it lists the 30-30w as being .308 in diameter of the projectile. It also list a round as the .307w which is also of .308 diameter. Apart from the .30 Luger all rounds listed as .30 cal are all listed as being .308 in diameter for the projectile.
Spooke
Ridgies Rule

ChesterGolf · Joined: 17 Aug 2002 Posts: 1642 Location: Nova Scotia

spooke wrote: Checking my Modern Reloading book it lists the 30-30w as being .308 in diameter of the projectile. It also list a round as the .307w which is also of .308 diameter. Apart from the .30 Luger all rounds listed as .30 cal are all listed as being .308 in diameter for the projectile.
Spooke
Ridgies Rule

That is pretty much the case. The .303brit. is slightly larger at .311 but it can be confusing sometimes for sure. :](*,)

Swamp Collie · Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Lowcountry, SC

spooke wrote: Checking my Modern Reloading book it lists the 30-30w as being .308 in diameter of the projectile. It also list a round as the .307w which is also of .308 diameter. Apart from the .30 Luger all rounds listed as .30 cal are all listed as being .308 in diameter for the projectile.
Spooke
Ridgies Rule

The 307 Win has the same outside dimensions as a 308, however, it has a large case rim not unlike a 30/30. The inside case dimensions are different from a 308 as well. The 307 does not have the volume of the 308 and it was actually designed specifically for Win 94 Angle Eject rifles. Subsequently, any factory rounds for a 307 you may come across will be flat/round nose bullets.

Seems to me it came about around the same time as the 7-30 Waters and was developed with the same thoughts in mind...improve upon the 30/30. However, despite a 30/30s appearence as a "limited" bullet by todays ballistics standards, it continues to outlive the now defunct 307 and 7-30.

Now that Hornady has released their new 160gr Leverevolution for the 30/30, it has arrived anew again. I am getting sub inch three shot groups from my short barreled 94 at 100 yards. Fantastic development that allows tube magazine shooters to load spitzer type bullets safely in their slide actions by utilizing a gum-rubber type point that will not ignite a primer, yet, retains its shape for superior bullet flight. Not to mention that these factory loads are very reasonably prices.