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[wonksy]

I SECOND THAT CHESTER :thumbsup1: :thumbsup1: :thumbsup1: :thumbsup1: :thumbsup1: :thumbsup1:

[thenail]

Chestergolf , I agree with you 100 % to heii with the anties . It would be wonderful if every hunter and trapper felt that way but I think a lot of hunters and trappers are afraid of the anties . They don't worry me in the least .The pic of the coyote hanging in the snare was my favorite because I know very well that ,that is one less that is going to grabb a deer and teare it apart alive .It 's a terriable thing for me to catch a coyote by the foot and shoot it ." How Cruel " But it's not cruel for a few coyotes to drag down a deer and start eating alive . When the animal goes down the coyote just riping it apart "HOW UNCRUEL " I don't think so !!!! Anyway to keep peace . I'll pm the cruel pics . This a hunting site but we can't use it as such . It is sad .!!!!!!!!!

[d3238]

thenail, if you don't mind ill look at the pics to if you wanna PM them to me!!!

[hunter777]

Are you allowed to use kill springs in your area?
As far as knowing that the anti's will use your pics and even quote what we say. I belong to a trapping forum where pictures, names and the things that people were talking about were copied, reposted and edited to make things sound worse than they were. Some of the things that were quoted and reposted were bad enough that no editing was nesesary. These things were used in campaigns to end trapping. The anti's said these are direct quotes from trappers and I have to admit it myself. Some of the stuff was really bad.
I don't think anything that you posted was all that bad and certainly no worse than anything they already have but just a reminder that we are constantly monitored by people that have nothing better to do with their live's.
Sorry man......I respect you and your abilities as an outdoorsman.
I have a pic of a canine on a string from last season too.

[d3238]

thanks for the pics nail, trapping looks interesting...

what are the costs like for something like that, or can you give me a run over of basically what you do?

[thenail]

Hunter < we have a few new trap regulations comming into effect in the next couple of years . I'll try to copy and paste it for you . Not that good at that stuff yet . Here goes . Implementation
Updated March 17, 2006

The Canadian Wildlife Directors, Competent Authorities for implementation of the Agreement on International Humane Trapping Standards (AIHTS), have approved a 3-phase process for implementing the AIHTS in Canada. The following lists show the three phases for regulating species-specific traps: (1) the certified traps to be regulated for specific species in 2007; (2) certified traps that will not be affected at that time, pending development of testing technologies; and, (3) the future addition of cage and box traps. The traps listed by name have all been certified as meeting the requirements of the AIHTS for specific species, through the Canadian trap-testing program administered by the Fur Institute of Canada.



Phase 1. STARTING IN FALL 2007 - Certified Traps to be regulated for trapping the following species:

KILLING TRAPS
SPECIES CERTIFIED TRAPS TO BE REGULATED FOR USE IN FALL 2007
BEAVER
Underwater and On Land Bélisle Classic 330 LDL C280 Species-Specific 330 Dislocator Half Magnum
Bélisle Super X 280 LDL C330 Species-Specific 440 Dislocator Half Magnum
Bélisle Super X 330 Rudy 280 Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 280
B.M.I. 330 Body Gripper Rudy 330 Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 330
Bridger 330 Sauvageau 2001-11

BEAVER
On Land Only Sauvageau 1000-11F
BEAVER
Underwater Only Duke 330 B.M.I. 280 Body Gripper Sauvageau 2001-8

FISHER Bélisle Super X 120 Koro #2 Sauvageau 2001-5
Bélisle Super X 160 LDL C160 Magnum Sauvageau 2001-8
Bélisle Super X 220 LDL C220 Magnum

MARTEN Bélisle Super X 120 LDL B120 Magnum Sauvageau C120 Magnum
B.M.I. 126 Magnum Body Gripper Rudy 120 Magnum Sauvageau 2001-5

RACCOON Bélisle Classic 220 Duke 220 Sauvageau 2001-6
Bélisle Super X 160 LDL C 160 Sauvageau 2001-7
Bélisle Super X 220 LDL C 220 Sauvageau 2001-8
B.M.I. 160 Body Gripper LDL C 220 Magnum Species-Specific 220 Dislocator Half Magnum
B.M.I. 220 Body Gripper Rudy 160 Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 160
Bridger 160
Bridger 220 Rudy 220 Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 220

MUSKRAT
On Land Bélisle Super X 120 Bridger 120 Sauvageau 2001-5
B.M.I. 120 LDL B120 Magnum Triple M
B.M.I. 120 Magnum Rudy 120 Magnum Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 110
B.M.I. 126 Magnum Sauvageau C120 Magnum Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 120

MUSKRAT
Underwater Any jaw type trap (body gripping or leghold) set as a submersion set that exerts clamping force on a muskrat and that maintains a muskrat underwater.
LEGHOLD RESTRAINING TRAPS
SPECIES CERTIFIED TRAPS TO BE REGULATED FOR USE IN FALL 2007
LYNX Bélisle Footsnare Oneida Victor #3 Soft Catch equipped with 4 coil springs Oneida Victor #3 equipped with a minimum of 8mm thick, non-offset steel jaws, 4 coil springs and an anchoring swivel centre mounted on a base plate
Oneida Victor #3 Soft Catch equipped with 2 coil springs


CERTIFIED trap models are given exclusive identification letters that manufacturers will have to mark on traps they manufacture in 2007 and beyond. Trappers may still legally use these same trap models after the implementation of the AIHTS (2007), regardless of whether they bear this mark.


Phase 2. YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION TO BE DETERMINED - Certified Traps to be regulated after 2007 for trapping the following species:

Although the traps listed in Phase 2 are certified for the following species and trap categories, the year of entry into force of the obligation to use only AIHTS Certified traps has not yet been determined. This date, which could vary from one species to another, will be known at least 3 years in advance.

Until then, traps that are currently legally permitted can still be used.

Check with your provincial or territorial government for regulations related to trap uses applicable in your trapping area.


KILLING TRAPS
SPECIES TRAPS CERTIFIED BUT NOT MANDATORY FOR USE IN FALL 2007
OTTER Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 330
WEASEL Victor Rat Trap
LYNX Woodstream Oneida Victor Conibear 330
BOBCAT, BADGER No killing trap certified to date

LEGHOLD RESTRAINING TRAPS
SPECIES TRAPS CERTIFIED BUT NOT MANDATORY FOR USE IN FALL 2007
COYOTE Bélisle Footsnare
Oneida Victor #3 Soft Catch equipped with 2 coil springs
Bridger #3 equipped with 5/16-inch offset, doubled rounded steel jaw laminations (3/16-inch on topside of jaw and ¼-inch on underside of jaws), with 4 coil springs and an anchoring swivel centre mounted on a base plate.
WOLF No leghold restraining trap certified to date
BOBCAT Bélisle Footsnare


Phase 3. YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION TO BE DETERMINED - Cage and Box Traps to be Regulated after 2007 for live-trapping the following species:

LIVE CAPTURE CAGES OR BOXES
SPECIES TRAPS CERTIFIED BUT NOT MANDATORY FOR USE IN FALL 2007
BEAVER, RACCOON,
FISHER, MARTEN,
MUSKRAT, OTTER,
WEASEL, LYNX, BOBCAT, BADGER No live capture cage or box certified to date



THIS LIST WILL BE UPDATED AS ADDITIONAL TRAPS ARE CERTIFIED



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[thenail]

Hunter , I'll post a pic like that one you posted but of a coyote . This year the foxes are really scarce in this area of Nova Scotia where I live and trap . There is lots of farm land for foxes . I haven't even seen a fox track in my travels all fall . There used to be lots of foxes around this neck of the woods but for some reason they seem to have disappeared .

[hunter777]

Thats some good information. I think those same type of regs will eventually be implimented here in the U.S. so any new purchases for me will be of the type traps that you have just identified. Looks like the belisle is the trap of choice for me. I read an interesting article in Trapper and Predator Caller on the research that was done to come up with those new regulations. I think Canada did the right thing by being pro-active and getting those traps certified.

Another good catch. The coyotes around here must be laughing at my coyote sets because......I have yet to catch one! Although a few of them pissed on my sets ::neener:

I have heard people say that when the coyotes move into an area, the fox population takes a dive because the coyotes won't tolerate another canine in their home range and they kill them. Do you think that could have anything to do with the decline of fox in your area?

[thenail]

Hunter , WE can still use the same traps that we always used for now but the new regs will be in effect in the next few years . The big thing with foot trapping is that it works so good in open weather but the fur is not as prime . The disadvantage is that we are supposed to run the gear every 24 hours . The price fo gas and the price of the coyotes , It 's hardly worth it . The snares on the other hand you don't have to check until once or twice a week depending on the temperature . The coyote spoils quick . The snares dispatches them pretty quick . We don't use the killing spring , but the snares have to have a locking device that keeps it from opening . This works extreamely well .
Here is a real good set for coyotes . Find yourself a good sized mound and set your trap right in the center and make sure the trap is in a good hollow . I use a drag pole but I understand that some places in the States you can't use drags . don 't matter solid or drag this will wor really well .Once you have your trap in place make small hole with your trap steak or anything that will make a hole then I pour a bit of Hawkbecker Fox Food lure in the hole . The hole should be about 4 feet from the mound . No urein nescearry . Just the lure .I like a little brush over the hole to really get the curosity going . The will get up on the mound every time for a good look to see if they can see what is in the hole . This set is excellent for for as well . Maybe I alreadyexplained that set to ya . I know I have posted it before . Anyway that is a good one .
I think that's why the foxes have disappeared is because of the coyote . I know they don't dine together on a carces . The fox would be dinner for sure

[hunter777]

That is a set I want to try. I could make a mound out back and use it every season. How big should the mound be? How high and how wide?
We have to use a relaxing lock on our snares.

[thenail]

The mound could be as small as an ant hill I have used these that were no longer used by the ants . They were about a foot high by maybe 2 feet wide , that size or bigger . I don't think that size means too much as long as it is higher than the terrain where your set is .They will get up as high as they can even the slightest bit higher . A height of 2 feet would be about the best . That's good and high for a good look . I have seen their tracks on top of gravel piles 10 to 15 feet and higher . There was a friend where I had permission to trap and a spot where he was cutting some firewood . The surface was pretty flat and I just took a rake and made a mound about 10 in. to a foot and maybe 2 feet in diamenter .Within a couple days I had a fox after he sprung the trap by mistake and I reset it then caught the fox .This set is good to avoid non target animals as well.

[thenail]

Hunter , Here us a pic of how we set the snare for cat and coyote . One is a log over a brook and the other is a trail set

[thenail]

Sorry, they are both trail sets. Here is a log set

[hunter777]

I've had pretty goo luck with the log set. It always amazes me that they will run right through that loop even in the wide open. The set you have there looks good with the branches closing it down. Did you open that up yourself (cut away some limbs) or is it a natural crossing?

[thenail]

On one of those logs I cut a small tree and spiked it to the log and trimed the branches to suite myself and one was pretty natural .Just a little adjusting for the snare . There is another log about 50 yards up the brook that I took a cat on this season . I just don't have a pic of that one .JUst a small trail in pretty thick stuff to get on the log prefect for a cat but a little thick for the cat trapper LOL LOL I have coyote snares in that area so I 'll try and get a pic of the spot where I got the cat . I have to get right out on the log to get a pic . you'll be able to see then just how thick it is . I do like to narrow it up some to cut down the chances of the cat getting by the snare . If the snare is centered on the log then you don't really need much brush as long as you have the proper height from the bottom of the loop to the log . I like to put a stick over top the snare so they don't lift their head over the snare . The set should almost look like a trail set . The only place to put their head is in the snare