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[kmac]

I am a Danish (european) hunter and just posted a VERY angry post called "socalled hunting?!?". Before I posted I had'nt read this topic. All I can say is that I am glad that I can see that not all americans approve of this form of "hunting". I've seen several posts here describing real hunts( jshutah among others). And to the anthropologist (dpastordan). Its true that the "hunting" that the old royals of Europe conducted were messed up. Plain and simple. But dont go after the pygmies or the ancients. Their purpose of hunting is completely different from ours. They were (and still is) hunting in the most true essence. For their own survival. Hunt or starve...simple as that. Therefore they hunt in a way that yield the most meat. Understandeble when your life depends on it. As for the hunts you describe from Finland and Germany (also practiced in the same way in many other European countries). They both still have the element of chance involved. Ive been one som of these driven hunts, and belive me there is plenty of chance involved here. Alot of times the moose go between the dogs and beaters wich often walk with a mile or more between them because of the large areas in wich we hunt. The difference here is also that the trophy doesnt matter to many hunters in Finland for example. I'd bet alot of moose SCI records have been fed to the dogs after the hunts. Trophies are'nt a big thing to many european hunters. Some keep them as a reminder of the hunt (I do) but do not have them measured or put in any book . Wich is probably why all the records in the books are held by Americans. :D As for the night hunting. Theres a ton of work to do before you can go hunting at night. You have to scout the area over several weeks. Build your hide "the right place" and 9 times out of 10 the animnals dont show. So you start over. And we have'nt even begun to discuss shooting in pitch darkness. By the way night vision goggles are not allowed by law. Now the "hunters" on the preserves (or whatever you call them, they are still Zoos where you can bring a gun) may eat some of the canned exotic they just slaughtered, but that does'nt justify it. If it was the meat they were after they could go and buy a porkchop in the store. They are there to kill. Not hunt. There is no chance or effort from them involved. The only effort they have to put in is paying for an Addax or whatever endangered species they feel like and then go and shoot it. All in one or a couple of days. And no, I have'nt been in one of these cages. And I never will. If I want to hunt for Chamois I go to Swtizerland or Austria. If I want to hunt for Thar i go to the Himalayas, NOT New Zealand. And if I want to hunt for Whitetail I go to the U.S....see the point? Hunt the animals on their premices in their native habitat. And give them a sporting chance for christs sake! Let them run whereever they want to. If they catch your scent or whatever and run the animal wins and you go home. Not to the edge of the cage where the animal obviously has to stop and you can shoot it.

Chop away Yanks :wink:

[cam69conv]

Ok I have been away for awhile with illness so of course I had to post on a very touchy topic. Those who know me are cringing already Im sure LOL :laugh:

Now for kmac, many have already shown you with scientific PROOF that most of these game preserves that you are downing actually provide MORE acerage than the specific animal would ever use in the "wild" as you put it. Now granted yes there are those "butthead" businesses that do things totally unethicly, such as releasing a "trophy" animal just a few days before the sceduled "hunter" is to arrive and this is compleatly unethical in my small book. But MOST of the places (we will use the Texas ranches that you mentioned in the other post) start thier places and dont even allow ANY hunting on them whatsoever for 4 to five years, inso allowing the deer,or whatever animal, to compleatly adapt to thier surroundings before being hunted. Now, if you have ever hunted on an "open" ranch with say 1000 acres then you would know that this would be a very difficult hunt in itself, not to mention the native foliage in Texas creates some of the harshest traveling conditions on the planet. If you hunt in Texas you are pretty much guarenteed 2 things. 1 is that you will be worn out afterwards, 2 is that you will be one scratched up, cut up, insect bit individual. To me , and this is just my lil ole opinion, There is little difference between hunting a 1000 acre enclosure and hunting with a guide that has already prescouted and done all the legwork for you. Another thing that hasnt been touched on is the meat itself. I live MAINLY on wild game as it is far more benificial and healthy for you than steroid ridden cattle and chicken. One thing that noone seems to realize is that you cant bring home the meat from most other countries. Now with that being said, I personally LOVE Axis deer meat as well as Fallow. You will find them both to be VERY tastey meat. I quit "trophy" hunting years ago as I feel I have enough "heads" on the wall and have no need for it. I just enjoy getting out in nature and hunting. Thats about it to that. As many others have said, please refrain from speaking about what you do not know about. And also in respect to your hunting moose with dogs comment. If you are having moose go inbetween your dogs, then you REALLY need to learn how to train your hunting dogs. If you wish, send them to me and I will straighten them out. I've trained some of the best coon hounds and rabbit dogs on the planet and would be happy to show you how to get a dog to track whichever species that you want.

Nuff said and have a wonderful day all

[johncxr]

I agree that a true hunter chases down his kill. That is what this ranch's principle philosophy is based on. The hunts here are difficult. I suggest you spend some time getting yourself fit before you go.