42 replies [Last post]
Offline
Location: Missouri/Arkansas
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 891
Your Favorite North American Caliber

Hey Smoochie, you think that's a kicker, during a 2001 hunt my cousin dropped a 6X6 bull with a 25-06 and almost 300 yards by putting the 120 grain bullet through the front slats the right way. Plus both him and his favorite guide bowhunt elk in most years.

Offline
Moderator
Location: Wa.
Joined: 03/31/2004
Posts: 1300
Your Favorite North American Caliber

I probably should have mentioned that this particular hunter is a lumberjack. Has lived and worked in the woods all of his years and knows where these critters live and roam. Like you know where the local Safeway market is. He can get within 50 yds of an elk, before you can figure out the yardage on a 350 yd shot.
I'd call a head shot vital. What do you call it. Now, don't show your ignorance.

Offline
Location: Montana
Joined: 02/13/2005
Posts: 409
Your Favorite North American Caliber

i get "pissed"?Why the hell would iI be angry that someone chose a different caliber than me?I own a 30-06 and a 7Mag and have the 30-06 for friends and family to use when they come from out-of-state.If anything I get confused by statements such as people claiming a .243 is a good all around NA cartridge including elk,I do not agree with that,but that is my opinion and everyone is entitled to thiers.Am I not allowed to ask them why they made the choice they did and argue my opinion?I started this thread to get peoples opinion,not to change thiers as you seem to be trying to do.Cant we just agree to disagree and you can stop the personal insults and childish behavior?

Offline
Moderator
Location: Wa.
Joined: 03/31/2004
Posts: 1300
Your Favorite North American Caliber

Hey Captain O
Are you the one that invited these guys to the party. I need to get a taller pair of waders. It's gettin' deep.

Offline
Location: Missouri/Arkansas
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 891
Your Favorite North American Caliber

Hey don't look at me I didn't ask for any of this crap.

Offline
Location: Alberta
Joined: 05/19/2005
Posts: 17
Your Favorite North American Caliber
NONYA wrote:
Well put Captian O,if you cant shoot well enough to kill any NA big game or "big bear" with a caliber in the 30-06 or 7 Mag class you probably have no buisness hunting anything.Shot placement is 90% of the kill no matter what you are shooting or what you are shooting it with.Just thinking about putting up with that 35lbs of recoil is enough to give me a flinch lol.

NONYA: From the .338 as an all-around caliber thread...

http://www.chuckhawks.com/ever_popular_30.htm

FYI: Only 2 magnums are listed in the top 10 most popular calibers for N.A. hunting; the 7mm Rem and the .300 WM.

If you want a true all around caliber for N.A. it has to start with the .30-06. It should include the .270, .308, .280, 7mm Rem, .300 WM, .303, .30-30, .45-70 and maybe the upper end being the .338 WM (it's too much gun for the majority of hunters though). And hell yes you can hunt and kill anything in this country with those calibers. Personally I would not use a .243. It takes more patience and hunting skill then I have, that's all.

Do you know who Bentley Coben is? I bet not. He has probably shot and photographed more Boone & Crockett whitetail and mule deer then any man alive. He lives in Saskatchewan and hunts deer, elk etc... and uses a .243 exclusively. He is of course a superb hunter (like the lumberjack fellow mentioned by fuzzybear) and marksman.

Pretty much everybody I know, who has tried the Remington Ultra-Mags hates them. They are over-kill. Too much recoil. You can say the same about (all) Weatherby calibers. Hell the .300 WM is too much for most guys...

I think the WSM's are going to make some inroads over the next 10 years. They are a pretty good idea.

But face it, any magnum merely shoots the same caliber/weight of bullet, at higher velocities. I know a guy who has a .300 WM. He handloads for it but IMHO is wasting it cuz' he's just loading 180 gr bullets. You can shoot the same bullet in a .30-06 or a .308 and your animal will be just as dead, and with a helluva lot less recoil, noise and cost.

Inuit hunting guides in the Canadian arctic use .223 for b/u rifles to protect clients from polar bears. Because they literally are using a rifle as soon as they can run outside, they are the finest rifle shots on this earth I swear to you!
So a polar bear does not want to get in their way. They would just tuck one of those tiny bullets in the ear and be done with it.

Offline
Location: Missouri/Arkansas
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 891
Your Favorite North American Caliber

You can load the same 180 grain bullet into a 308 or 30-06 as with a 300 Mag but where the mag shines is extending the distance where you can deliver over a ton of energy to an animal. Personally I both agree and disagree about the ultra mags, the 300 RUM is a good round, but its stupid for somebody that never hunts elk and can't be sure they ever will to buy one and only hunt deer with it. As for the Weatherby rounds, I like all but the 30-378 and 338-378, I think they were both mistakes, they're just powder-eating machines. As for the 300 Win Mag, it is not some beast that is too big for everything, there are bullets for everything from deer to moose and bigger.

And yeah, you're right a list of good ALL AROUND NORTH AMERICAN HUNTING CARTRIDGES absolutely should start with the 270, really 243 for all CXP-2, and then 25-06 through 338 for the rest.

Offline
Location: Montana
Joined: 02/13/2005
Posts: 409
Your Favorite North American Caliber

The only thing i dont like about the 7 ultra mag is the extra long barrel,one of my cousins carrys one and everytime we are in the timber he has to carry it in front of him instead of over the shoulder and he says it gets very old.No calibers were intentionally excluded from the list,you can only put 9 options in the list,that is why i asked people to post thiers if it wasnt in it.In the poll in North American Hunting Magazine the new ultras were top of thier poll,that is one of the reasons i started this one,I believe thier poll was put on by gun manufacturers trying to market thier new cartdidges because all the article did wast rave about the new ultras ad how far ahead they are of the old favorites.I think tho 300 ultra won thier poll that had over 10,000 votes...supposedly.

Offline
Location: Missouri/Arkansas
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 891
Your Favorite North American Caliber

What Remington should do rather than mess around with the press trying to sell more of the ultra mags that are already out there, they should create a new one. The have a 7mm Remington Ultra Mag that basically gives you 7mm Weatherby Magnum performance in a long, rimless case. 300 Remington Ultra Mag, very, very similar in performance to the 300 Weatherby Magnum, in a rimless case. 338 and 375 Remington Ultra Mags, fairly similar to the 340 and 378 Weatherby Magnums. They should now create a 270 Remington Ultra Mag, which would give you the excellent 270 Weatherby Magnum's performance in a rimless case. People seem to like the 270's whether they are standard or magnum. They should of course chamber this in a rifle with a 26 inch barrel that weighs no less than 7-3/4 lbs out of the box. It would be an Ultra Mag that not only generates moderate recoil levels, but also gives you top-level .277 caliber performance.

Offline
Location: Anchorage AK
Joined: 12/03/2004
Posts: 46
Your Favorite North American Caliber

Your poll was mising a lot of really good catridges. That may be a shortcoming of the site and you do ask to know if people use something else.

In Prince William Sound I know that I can take my .243 Win. loaded with 100 grain NPs and it will do the job nicely on black tails or black bear, even the rare moose. Once through the boiler room and 59 seconds later bullwinkle flops over. I take either that or my 30-06. Any place else in the state, I leave the .243 at home and minimum take the 06. You failed to put it on your list but the .375H&H is still one of the best all around calibers on the planet unless you exclusively hunt really big stuff like the Big 5. For that I feel it is a bit light. Loaded with 235 grain spitzers it is a long range deer or elk popper and the 270 and 300 grain bullets make it effective on the big bears, American bison, moose, what have you. I like the .416, especially in the Rigby. is it practical or necessary in NA? Are you kidding??? It is like using a bazooka on a bunny rabbit. It is just a heck of a lot of fun to shoot and if the animals ever rampage out of the zoo I'll be ready.

So, to answer your poll the one that fits best into my world is the 30-06. Your mileage may vary.

Related Forum Threads You Might Like

ThreadThread StarterRepliesLast Updated
One CaliberTrophy_Hunter_416503/29/2008 01:46 am
Gun adviceRAKMAN206/05/2006 11:35 am
What is "Enough Gun"?Highflyer1701/04/2009 18:45 pm
North American Game AnimalsNONYA1306/06/2005 16:05 pm
North American Hunting clubSponxx201/17/2008 18:26 pm