42 replies [Last post]
Offline
Location: St. Louis
Joined: 02/27/2005
Posts: 7
Your Favorite North American Caliber

My new favorite: 9.3 x 62. . . . . Penetration, penetration, penetration.

Offline
Location: Missouri/Arkansas
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 891
Your Favorite North American Caliber

A 416 RM will take a cape buffalo beyond 100 yards. Plus there is a 416 Weatherby Mag that will do it at more than twice that.

Offline
Location: Missouri/Arkansas
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 891
Your Favorite North American Caliber

''There are plenty of big bears killed in Alaska with a .30-06,I know guides who pack a 06 for bear and moose ,a 180gr bullet out of an 06 at close ranges will kill any animal in North America and quickly.I like the extended range of my 7mm but I would not hesitate to take my 06 to Alaska.I cant understand why anyone would want the punishment you get from a 300wm for the small amount of "knockdown power" you gain from the Monster Mags.''

Some of those monster mags give you WAY more knockdown power. A 300 Jarrett gives you 2900 fps with a 200 grain bullet, as compared to 2700 for the 30-06 180. A 300 Remington Ultra Mag or 300 Weatherby Mag can give you 3250 to 3300 fps with a 180 grain bullet and 3000 to 3100 fps with a 200 grain bullet.

Of course this also means you can expect to get belted with at least 35 ft-lbs of recoil, which is why so many 300 Magnum shooters flinch enough to open their groups up. For any long range hunting, I carry a 7mm Remington Magnum, in part because I have had good experiences reloading this cartridge, but also because I can shoot the 7 Mag better than most 300 Magnum shooters I know.

Offline
Location: Montana
Joined: 02/13/2005
Posts: 409
Your Favorite North American Caliber

FPS does not always translate into "knockdown power".

Offline
Location: Missouri/Arkansas
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 891
Your Favorite North American Caliber

Ok, a 30-06 can deliver a ton, or slightly more, energy to an animal at 200 yards. Maybe 250, depending on the bullet and load. A 300 Winchester Magnum can double the distance at which you can deliver the same energy.

A 300 Weatherby Magnum or 300 Remington Ultra Mag can deliver OVER a ton of energy at 500 yards, and both are capable of delivering as much energy at 300 yards as a 30-06 has at the muzzle. A fine comparative ballistics table can be found here: http://www.remington.com/ammo/ballistics/ballistics.htm

Offline
Location: Missouri/Arkansas
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 891
Your Favorite North American Caliber

PS: A 300 Winchester Mag doesn't kick NEARLY as hard as the other two. A fine comparative recoil table can be found here: http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

Anonymous
Your Favorite North American Caliber

Nonya! I suppose I will have to give you a class on Ballistics of a .416 Reminton magnum my dear young man. First off it kills with far less destruction than any 7mm mag or 300 win mag.

Actually the .416 Remington mag, will in fact shoot a 325 grain bullet very much in line to what a 30-06 will shoot a 180 grain bullet, as far as bullet drop goes.

Velocity of that 325 grain bullet was 2800fps. A 200 yard zero will put the bullet 8 inches low at 300 yards. So Nonya, I would certainly not call the .416 Remington, a caliber that shoots with "rainbow" trajectories understand. A 400 grain bullet will be 10.5 inches low at that same 300 yards. It is indeed a 300 yard gun for plains game! I have taken several very nice antelope species with it at 250 yards and that is not pulling your chain. eye roll Wink

Anonymous
Your Favorite North American Caliber

Captian Obvious.......I don't wish to burst your bubble but those so called recoil ratings are a wee bit on the light side for several of those calibers, the 300 Winchester magnum being the one that caught my attention right off OK.

I packed a 300 win mag for over 20 years and trust me, when I say it does certainly have more than 23 or so pounds of recoil delivered to the shoulder of the shooter. Now to shoot a 180 grain bullet at 2970 fps will render one to receive nearer 28lbs of felt recoil to the shoulder. A 30-06 with 180 grain bullets going 2800 fps will generate 23 to 25 pounds of felt recoil to the shooter depending on the stock design.

Their is a much better program one can use located at HuntAmerica.com

Offline
Location: Missouri/Arkansas
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 891
Your Favorite North American Caliber

The main point to that is you still get much more recoil from the Weatherby or Ultra Mag 300's than from the 300 Win. Mag.

Offline
Location: Olympia, WA
Joined: 04/25/2005
Posts: 69
Your Favorite North American Caliber

I have shot a 300 weatherby, and a 300 winchester mag, and the 300 winchester short mag and to tell you the truth, to me the difference in recoil seemed to be just a hair more in the 300 weatherby, It certainly wasn't an unmanagable difference in recoil.

Related Forum Threads You Might Like

ThreadThread StarterRepliesLast Updated
One CaliberTrophy_Hunter_416503/29/2008 01:46 am
Gun adviceRAKMAN206/05/2006 11:35 am
What is "Enough Gun"?Highflyer1701/04/2009 18:45 pm
North American Game AnimalsNONYA1306/06/2005 16:05 pm
North American Hunting clubSponxx201/17/2008 18:26 pm