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any Rem 742's here:

http://demigod.org/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-equipment/

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Great post. A world of info for the up and coming LR shooter.

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Really great article! I finally got a chance to read through all of it and was impressed at the volume of information.

Thank you for sharing! Thumbs up

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Well that was a great article. It would also serve to convince me that it's something I don't want to get into. Boy is that expensive!! I expect that the expense is in direct portion to the results required. It would be intresting to see what could be done with a factory rifle that has been tuned up with bedding and trigger work.

My impression is that you create the machine and can even buy factory ammo. Then the job of the shooter is do the math, aim the sights and fire the thing. Doing the math would be a hard thing for me. It is my absolutely worst subject!

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Don Fischer wrote:
Well that was a great article. It would also serve to convince me that it's something I don't want to get into. Boy is that expensive!! I expect that the expense is in direct portion to the results required. It would be intresting to see what could be done with a factory rifle that has been tuned up with bedding and trigger work.

My impression is that you create the machine and can even buy factory ammo. Then the job of the shooter is do the math, aim the sights and fire the thing. Doing the math would be a hard thing for me. It is my absolutely worst subject!

Don

Expensive? Not if you own a BASS BOAT and a new Pickup truck! And.....these prices are NOWHERE NEAR....what I have in MY LR RIFLES! Remember.....I'm a member of the OLD SCHOOL that grew up on the theory of being CONSERVATIVE! I have rifles I built up MYSELF....that will do the same thing these AS SHOWN RIFLES will do! A few....maybe even better!

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Rick,

I'm sure your right. Little insight on me. My boat was built in 1950 and my pickup in 1983. I don't own a car. When my house, double wide, burned down I replaced it with a 1984 model double wide, roof doesn't leak, tape on only one window and most of the doors lock, trailer trash to the bone. Laugh

I buy about 99% of my rifles used but never a used fishing rod or reel. Whatever my rifles are, it's usually because of what I've done to them. I am neither poor or well to do, I believe to term that best discribes me is,,CHEAP! Anyway that seems to be the opinion of people who know me. Thumbs up

I do spend a lot on cameras and reloading stuff tho. At last check, I have $25,000 invested in camera gear and my furniture is from Goodwill. Oh by the way, been married three times and got each one used! Laugh After over 60 yrs, I believe I see a trend developing here!

Have a good day.

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Rick,

I'm sure your right. Little insight on me. My boat was built in 1950 and my pickup in 1983. I don't own a car. When my house, double wide, burned down I replaced it with a 1984 model double wide, roof doesn't leak, tape on only one window and most of the doors lock, trailer trash to the bone. Laugh

I buy about 99% of my rifles used but never a used fishing rod or reel. Whatever my rifles are, it's usually because of what I've done to them. I am neither poor or well to do, I believe to term that best discribes me is,,CHEAP! Anyway that seems to be the opinion of people who know me. Thumbs up

I do spend a lot on cameras and reloading stuff tho. At last check, I have $25,000 invested in camera gear and my furniture is from Goodwill. Oh by the way, been married three times and got each one used! Laugh After over 60 yrs, I believe I see a trend developing here!

Have a good day.

Don

We BOTH....are on the same number of marriages! It took me 25 years to finally figure out to NEVER ARGUE WITH A WOMAN; you lose....even though you're right! However....the LAST MARRIAGE TOOK.....and it's nice to be married to an ANGEL whose name is ANGELA!

Come visit with me a couple days.....and I'll change your whole attitude toward LONG RANGE SHOOTING! Thumbs up lol Thumbs up

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Hi Guys,

Glad you found the articles useful.

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It would be intresting to see what could be done with a factory rifle that has been tuned up with bedding and trigger work.

I didn't mean to imply that super expensive rifles are REQUIRED for practical long-range shooting, just to lay out some functional needs/wants, and show where the various options fall. Yeah, you CAN spend a whole lot, but you don't have to:

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Remember, long-range practical shooting is about making hits in the field. Practice and skill are more important than equipment.
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Basic / Economy. On the basic end are factory rifles like the Savage 10FP and Remington 700 PSS.
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Most new long-range rifle shooters will be able to shoot a long time and learn a lot using the basic Remington 700 or Savage 10FP, if they get the rifle to fit them and mount quality optics on it.

If you have any rifle/ammo combination that will hold 1 MOA and stay supersonic long enough, going from 100 to 1000 yards mainly depends on the scope and ring/base setup, NOT the rifle itself.

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If you can't afford the Leupold, the Tasco 10x42 "Super Sniper" at about $300 is reported to be the best buy in that price range.

best regards
Zak

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Zak,

I have a rifle I've been thinking about trying a bit of this with. It's a 700 BDL in the factory stock with a 25" Shilen barrel in 6.5x06 that measures .647" at the muzzle. What it needs is a better scope and mounts. The rifle stays under a minute of angle consistently at 400yds with 129gr Hornayds. The rifle weight's 9 1/2#. The barrel is free floated from just in front of the chamber on and the chamber area and action bedded in "Micro-Bed". Kinda an after market Sendero. Factory trigger breaks at 2 3/4#.

When I had it put together I had a long throat cut in. Gave the "smith" a loaded dummy round so with a 140gr Hornady the bullet is seated to the base of the neck and just off the lands. Been awhile since I've shot 140's in it but as I recall I was getting a bit over 2900fps with my accuracy load.

Since reading your first post and looking at the threds you provided, I've been thinking possibly a sporting rifle class would be about right. By the way, I can build the type range you described for the sporting rifle with a few miles of home. Cowgirl, come on out!!! Big smile

You mentioned "keeping the bullet supersonic". I'm guessing that that is needed to maintain stabilization of the bullet? I'm thinking of maybe the 140gr A-Max if it will shoot in my rifle. It seem's to meet the balistic coefficent requirement to maintain itself to 1000yds? I have a boat load of confidence in Hornady's.

Oh, excuse me. I never welcomed you to our site. Please tell me, how did you find us? You have brought something of great value with you and that you seem willing to share it makes you a real credit, thank you! This is a great site.

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Yes, I've learned not to argue with my wife. I simply state that I agree to stipulate to the fact that I am lazy and worthless and therefore can we move onto another subject. For some reason, although I've stipulated to the facts, she still finds it necessary to continue the discussion. Evil!

She had a revelation last night. She said that men want a wife, but once they get one they work hard to spend as little time with her as possible. She might have a point. Someone pointed out that wives are the reason men are willing to get up at 3 am to sit in a wet dark duck blind Think

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Hi Don,

I actually saw the traffic to my articles from this site, and followed it back here. Thanks for the welcome! I grew up deer and bird hunting in WI, but my longest shot on game is probably around 100 because the terrain is so dense on my family's land. Last deer I got was at about 30 yards.

The 6.5's are really popular for this type of thing-- we see many .260 Remingtons and 6.5-284's. 6.5-06 fits right in there. One of the SRM shooters has used 6.5-06 Ackley to great success, though I think he's going back to straight 6.5-06 because the Ackley was too much work.

From bolt guns and 6.5 calibers with at least as much case capacity as the .260, the 140-grain class bullets are the most popular. This includes the 139gr Lapua Scenar, 140gr Berger VLD, and Sierra 142gr SMK. They all have BCs right around or a little better than 0.60 and they cut through the wind extremely well. In shorter barreled .260's, some are using the 123-grain Scenar or are trying Sierra's new 120gr SMK.

My basic strategy is that I use the highest BC bullet possible, provided I can launch it at a "decent" velocity-- kind of a fuzzy cutoff. 2800 is definitely decent, 2650 not so much for my purposes. There is a trade-off with drop because range estimation error favors flatters shooting loads. In known-distance (KD) matches, drop is much less of an issue.

Higher BC bullets are often but not always on the higher end of the weight range for the caliber, (e.g. 100+ 6mm, 140+ 6.5mm, 160+ 7mm) so make sure the twist of your barrel is sufficient to stabilize them.

You're spot on with stabilization. With your caliber and any sane bullet choice, it won't be a problem to 1000.

hope this helps
Zak

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