Once again your post (while I don't completely agree) is intelligent and thoughtful. What I got from Cnivles post was sarcasm and thinly veiled insinuations that the bad guys were shot because of their race or possibly we were cheering it because they were black. He attempted to take what was a second amendment and self defense issue and turn it into a race issue. He sees every white conservative as a bigot and cannot fathom otherwise. Where you see subtlety and nuance in his posts I see snarky hateful remarks designed only to start fights. He got called on it this time and it was justly deserved. Unlike you and other intelligent open minded people we can see and respect each others points of view. He cannot or will not and this is why I lose patience with him. He sees differing opinions not as a learning opportunity but as a threat. Anyone daring to voice an opinion other than his is hysterically labeled a "hate speaker" or "racist". My problem with civet isn't his views it's his lack of tolerance for the views of others.