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Wyoming Hunting License fee increse

Wyoming Big Game license fee increase The Wyoming G&F is currently looking for ways to increase revenue to the department. The primary result will be an increase in resident and nonresident license fees. This is a proposal that would let base license fees remain at or near current pricing and still achieve a substantial revenue increase to the department. You may or may not know that the way the department structures its license drawing system presently. This quote is from the Wyoming state legislature website re license draw procedure. “ ITD’s mainframe computer has an internal random number generator. This copyrighted generator creates a nine-digit random number for each applicant included in a particular draw. Each random number is between 0 and 1 (i.e. 0.362598731), and each number assigned has an equal chance of occurring. The computer assigns the random numbers immediately prior to conducting a draw. The computer sorts the random numbers from lowest to highest for the applicants queried. The computer then selects the application with the lowest random number and reviews an applicant’s first choice for area and type. It assigns the license if sufficient quota is available for the desired area. Antelope, deer, and elk applicants are allowed to enter up to five choices on an application, in case licenses in some areas and types have already been awarded. Beginning in 1998, these applicants will only have three choices, while moose applicants will have two. The computer initially processes all first choices on all applications. If an area and type is full, and an applicant’s first choice cannot be fulfilled, that application is suspended in a temporary file until the computer has reviewed and assigned licenses to all available first choices. The computer retrieves the applications held in the temporary file and goes through the same process, using the application’s same random number, for second, third, fourth, and fifth queries.” This selection method often makes your second choice option superfluous. Since all first choices are processed first leaving GEN license, sub par, doe fawn, or cow calf permits as the only possible draws for second choice. The "Fair License Fee Proposal" It suggests rather than raise license fees, the Wyoming G&F ammend the verbage of the “Computerized Draw Process” paragraph 4 by deleting first choices on all applications. If an area and type is full, and an applicant’s first choice cannot be fulfilled, that application is suspended in a temporary file until the computer has reviewed and assigned licenses to all available first choices. The computer retrieves the applications held in the temporary file and goes through the same process, using the application’s same random number, for second, third, fourth, and fifth queries.” and replacing with “The computer initially processes all choices on all applications. ” If your application is drawn your first choice, second choice, and third choice are considered before your license is suspended or considered unsuccessful. This proposal would apply to deer, antelope, and elk applications only. Applicants in the preference point draw would be processed in the same manner but would use their preference points if successful in their 2nd or 3rd choice options within licenses allocated to the preference point drawing and according to their preference point rankings. This would also help break the log jam in the current preference point system. Preference point applicants wishing to retain their preference points if unsuccessful in their first choice option would simply not chose to apply for a second or third choice option. The revenue increase portion of this plan comes in the form of an additional application charge for each of the second and third choice options. A person applying for only a first choice would see no increase in license costs. Applicants opting for additional choices would pay an additional fee for each additional choice but would genuinely have a chance at that tag, as is generally not the case presently. The big plus is an applicant could apply for those highly coveted tags without hurting your chances of drawing your regular first choice option. If you agree that the "Fair License Fee Proposal" is a viable alternative to substantial license fee increases please share this page with others. Print it and contact Wyoming Game and Fish and let your feelings be known. The spreadsheet below reflects the income this proposal would have generated in the 2012 draw had it been in force  CONTACT LIST HD 60 Representative John Freeman 2340 North Carolina Way Green River WY 82935 (307) 875-7378 John.Freeman@wyoleg.gov HD 20 Representative Kathy Davison P.O. Box 602 Kemmerer WY 83101 (307) 877-6483 Kathy.Davison@wyoleg.gov HD 36 Representative Gerald Gay 364 South Socony Place Casper WY 82609 (307) 265-5187 Gerald.Gay@wyoleg.gov HD 18 Representative Allen Jaggi P.O. Box 326 Lyman WY 82937 (307) 786-2817 Allen.Jaggi@wyoleg.gov HD 24 Representative Samuel Krone P.O. Box 2481 Cody WY 82414 (307) 587-4530 (307) 272-0082 Samuel.Krone@wyoleg.gov SD 21 Senator Bruce Burns P.O. Box 6027 Sheridan WY 82801 (307) 672-6491 Bruce.Burns@wyoleg.gov SD 17 Senator Leland Christensen 220 West Alta Alta WY 83414 (307) 353-8204 Leland.Christensen@wyoleg.gov SD 16 Senator Dan Dockstader P.O. Box 129 Afton WY 83110 (307) 885-9705 Dan.Dockstader@wyoleg.gov SD 01 Senator Ogden Driskill P.O. Box 155 Devils Tower WY 82714 (307) 680-5555 Ogden.Driskill@wyoleg.gov SD 08 Senator Floyd Esquibel 1222 West 31st St Cheyenne WY 82001 (307) 638-6529 Floyd.Esquibel@wyoleg.gov Wyoming Game and Fish 307-777-4600

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Screwed Again

From everything that i have heard about it so far, it sounds like the Non - Res hunters are going to get Screwed again, license fees almost doubling. JMO

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You would pay less than

You would pay less than proposed Lic fee increase this way

 

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They aren't going to double,

They aren't going to double, but they are to increase significantly. The above proposal changes the way the entire draw process is done and would go to a drawing similar to New Mexico where there is no PP system. The problem with this is that a person with a low number can draw a license on their third choice and a person with a higher number can lose out and not draw that same license even if that is their first choice. This goes completely against the current system where everyone with the same number of PPs, whether it's 0 or the max of 7 for the 2013 draw, is equal in the draw. Tinkering with the present draw system is not the way to go about things and a friend of mine that talked to a higher up in the G&F draw system this week was told that this proposal will not fly or be thought of as feasible by the Department.

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You are incorrect. I just

You are incorrect. I just talked with the commissioner of game and fish. The pref pt draw stands alone in this proposal. I am the author of this proposal and I know! Read am ended proposal @ WWW.drawalicensenow.blogspot.com this proposal is very much in the works.

 

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Pref pt applicants remain in

Pref pt applicants remain in the pref point draw through all choices and never drop to random draw as is now the case. A pref pt applicant cannot miss a tag to someone with less pref points

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top gun never admitted he was WRONG

Here is the correspondence from WYO game and fish about the pref point draw proceedure
We have been asked by John Emmerich to send both of you documentation
on the draw process. There appears to be confusion with regards to
how the draw is actually conducted. Attached is a copy of the draw
steps for the nonresident elk draw and a narrative explanation of the
steps.

Please keep in mind that the nonresident elk draw involves a
preference point and a random draw. Your proposal would not impact
the preference point draw discussed in this document. The preference
point draw only considers an applicant's first choice. The random
draw will consider all three choices.

Please review this document and contact us with any questions. If
necessary, we can also provide you with the resident elk draw
documentation.

Jean Cole 307-777-4683

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So...is the above proposal

So...is the above proposal only suggesting the introduction of a random draw that will be separated completely from the preference point draw?  Will there then be a "special" draw, preference point draw, and the new random draw?  If that's the case, how will the allocated licenses be divided among the different draws?  Will applicants be restricted to choosing a single draw or could they apply to all 3 in the same year?  

Sorry for any confusion here, but I don't read the original post and see any of these questions addressed.  I assumed the random draw (discussed in the above proposal) was still attached to the unsuccessful first choice applicants in the preference point draw.  If the random draw will now be entirely separate that changes my opinion of the proposal significantly.  Help a brother out and provide some more detail and explanation of this proposal.  Thanks!

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proposal exp

Yes all applicants will only compete in the catagory they apply. presently pref pt lic make up 75% of the allocation with the remainder being random. Now the pref point guys get to drop to random and get another first choice shot at the random draw. This would eliminate that and give a random applicant a better shot at drawing a tag

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Well, in my opinion, you may

Well, in my opinion, you may see a slight increase in income, because of increased fees, but not as much as you are predicting.  You figure the same amount of people would be hunting, but I tell you, there'd be a significant decline in license sales.  Count myself int hat group.  I already crossed Montana off my list because of increases, and I will do the same with Wyoming if it goes to high.  Now, add all the $$$ that I would have spent on hotels, gas and food in the state, etc., and you will lose alot more in the long run.  Stupid idea, if they do raise the fees.

I'll stick to my Colorado plans.  They actually want people to come in and be successful, from what I've seen/heard.

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lic fee increase

This proposal keeps base lic fees the same

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