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Wuts your favorite rifle caliber

One of four 30 cal's.
Chosen according to terrain and weather conditions at hand.
300wsm, 30-06, 308, 30-30.

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I am a new convert to the 308. I bought a Weatherby Vanguard SMOA (synthetic and stainless) and topped it with a Leapold Vari X III 3.5 -10 x 50. I shoot a Hornady Light Mag 150 grain bullet. Graphed at 3,017 FPS average and shot a slightly less than one inch five shot group. Only one deer shot so far but he was a dandy for the hills of Coalinga --- 23.5" wide by 14" high three point taken on the run at about 350 yards.

But the old 7 Rem Mag still runs a close second in my heart and it goes everywhere with me as my back up rifle.

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Best Caliber....

Well I'm pretty new at this, but I enjoy reading realoder books. I picked a 20
dollar book up at a army navy store for 50 cents on the used rack. Great deal
I thought for a book in decent shape. I've read like some people read novels..
the more you read the more you wanna read... lot's of good stuff about older
calibers and caliber history. Good to read to learn commen sense about gun safety as well. Anyway, getting to the point I'm with the larger percentage
of people who back up the 06. Never owned one myself, but it's a great
caliber from my understanding. I own a 308 win. model 70 and have no
complaints. offcoarse the 308 is just a shorter and slightly smaller dia caliber.
I figure if the military switched to it years ago during NATO then something
was right about it. I hate to talk about guns killing people, but this and other
calibers in the military have to be designed to hit a broad range of targets in
size and weight. Like a small caliber might take down a 150 lb target but
only wound someone weighing around 300 or so lbs. The same is relevant to
varmint and big game. Like i said i'm new at choosing and discussing guns
and such but the military is a great source of example.

I can't remember where I seen It but does anybody actually know where
to get the scoped mauser used by the germans? just my opinion but I
think it's probably a pretty sturdy gun, and maybe even deadly accurate??? Think

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Re: Best Caliber....
ss308 wrote:
I'm with the larger percentage
of people who back up the 06. Never owned one myself, but it's a great
caliber from my understanding. I own a 308 win. model 70 and have no
complaints. offcoarse the 308 is just a shorter and slightly smaller dia caliber.

Actually the .308 is the same diameter (caliber) as the 30-06. They both use the .308"(30cal) bullet as does the 30-30, 307, 300 RUM but not the 303 brit. (.311").

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Actually the .308 is the same diameter (caliber) as the 30-06. They both use the .308"(30cal) bullet as does the 30-30, 307, 300 RUM but not the 303 brit. (.311").

Thanks for the info... i guess the only difference is length and neck position,
as well as differences in bullet length according to capicity specs. I never
read there was a difference but holding a 7.62 (also in the 30 cal.?) to
a 308 bullet, it seemed that the 7.62 was slightly larger in diameter.
It has been done but not reccomended: converting a 7.62 rifling to
30'06 caliber. I do know a 308 is marked as 53 cal and 7.62 as 54
(except for the smaller caliber the 7.62 x 39).My opinion is that all these above
calibers are great for bigger game hunting and widely used or made.
This makes these calibers great for reloading and pretty cheap for
target practice/ shooting on the bench.

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7.62 nato has a slightly differ case than a .308 win but both bullets are the same if they are the same weight( ie. 180 gr.) The case capacity of the 308 win(commercial round) is slightly larger than the nato counterpart and therefore is loaded to higher pressures. That is way some older rifles (ie Spanish mauser) re-barreled for the 7.62 can be dangerous if you are using .308 win. rounds. Most are better off with the even lighter 7.62 citme round which is the 7.62 nato at even less pressure. (just to add a bit more confusion to the mix)

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little interested in this spanish mauser thing.. are they anything reliable.
i own a russian 7.62 myself.. don't know if i'd ever take it on ahunt though.
it's good for practice cuz the ammo's cheap but i've noticed it's a hit or
miss rifle (too much use or lack of a scope?) just wondering if there 's another
mauser out there relatively cheap that reliably accurate preferably a 7.62
or 8mm.I do like the sounds of the swedish mauser. Generally european
country mad a genuine gun years ago. Think

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The swedish mauser is probably the way to go and it is mostly 6.5x55swede. This is a very capable round and has been used all over the world. This mauser is very accurate based on a decent gun in a decent condition. The german mausers are excellent as well but they are as long as a spear. The swede and the spanish mausers come in carbine sizes which make them excellent chioces for hunting. I have the spanish mauser in .308 but I would not use the commercial 308 win in it. I reload it to about 300 savage levels and it is great at that power.

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It's hard to beat the venerable 30-06, which can produce magnum-like performance when using premium aerodynamic bullets like Nosler's AccuBond (compared to a 300 Win Mag with standard bullets).

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/cfrdetail.aspx?symbol=S3006CT...

Using a bullet that's very aerodynamic can make a difference as well, as shown in this example (below) using Winchester data.

When comparing a bullet's energy in a 30-06 versus a 300 Win Mag, if you put a premium 180-gr. Nosler AccuBond bullet in a 30-06 at 2,750 fps MV and compare it to a plain jane Winchester 180-gr. Power Point in a 300 Win Mag at 2,960 fps MV, the 30-06 AccuBond will have an amazing 104 ft. lbs more energy at 300 yards: that's right - 2,005 versus 1,901 (Source: Winchester's 2005 Ammo Catalog, p. 10 - 13).

This is called Ballistic Efficiency!

Note: Federal, Hornady, and Remington all report similar data when comparing premium ballistically efficient bullets to their standard line, with a 30-06 being equal to 300 Win Mag performance. Basically, the principle is the same as outline above.

Nosler AccuBond

The 30-06 180-gr. AccuBond with a BC of .509 easily makes up for and surpasses the 210 fps velocity advantage the 180-gr. Power Point had (to begin with) because of its much lower BC of only .349.

In short, an aerodynamic bullet with a high BC can turn a regular caliber like the 30-06 into a magnum, as far as performance is concerned and in this case, the 30-06 180-gr. AccuBond outperforms a 300 Win Mag 180-gr. Power Point at 300 yards, but give the 300 Win Mag the AccuBond and the tables are reversed.

In summary, there's two ways to get extra performance out of a 30-06:

1. Upgrade to High Energy or Lite Magnum ammo.
2. Upgrade to a premium bullet with a high BC for more energy downrange.

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