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Would stiffer penalties prevent hunting accidents?

Sorry Tulip, I didn't realize I was starting to burn your oats...

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Would stiffer penalties prevent hunting accidents?

1996 Hunting Accidents
source: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/ihea/ihea96a.html#Safer

Fatal Accidents 91
Non-fatal Accidents 957
All Accidents 1048
States Reporting 49
Provinces Reporting 8

The most common hunting accidents are ones where the victim is unseen by the shooter- as the case here with Mr. Brenner. I understand that accidents can and will happen- But despite what some feel, that there is no problem, they're wrong- these numbers shouldn't be so high- I understand hunter safety courses outline general safety- and many people wearing bright orange are still shot at- it's insanity- I personally think it would help the numbers go down some, if there were a manditory vision test for hunters over a certain age or for hunters with existing vision problems. What do you think? Anybody else have an idea for a good way to lower the number of accidental shootings?

Hunting Statistics and Examples 1977-2001
http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/ar-news/Week-of-Mon-20030915/00685...

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1996 Hunting Accidents:

Fatal Accidents 91
Non-fatal Accidents 957
All Accidents 1048
States Reporting 49
Provinces Reporting 8

1996 Licensed Hunters:
Friends of Animals

Vehicle Deer Collisions: 10,000 on average
Deaths: 100+ average
United States: 13,975,000 potential hunters

1 in 153,571 hunters will experience a Fatal Accident
1 in 14,602 hunter will experience a Non-Fatal Accident
1 in 13,334 hunters will experience either a Non-Fatal Accident or Fatal Accident.

Bottom line 13,975,000 potential hunters in 1996 and 1048 Accidents... A person is more likely to die in a vehicle collision with a deer than the likelyhood of being fatally wounded by another hunter.

Improve what?

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Would stiffer penalties prevent hunting accidents?

I believe when fatalities or serious injury is involved, there is always room for improvement, regardless of the sport or activity.

Actually, the idea of testing for older folks for vision & other capabilities for hunting is not a bad idea. Guns can be deadly, just like vehicles. Even though vehicles are more deadly & those statistics should be improved upon as well, I feel we as hunters should make every effort to reduce the number of fatalities/injuries too.

While the hunting statistics for accidents are pretty darn good in my opinion, I do believe even one fatality is too many.

Quicksilver I can attest to the fact that deer/vehicle collisions maim & kill. Here in Colorado where hunting is a big industry, many more folks die in accidents involving deer/elk/wildlife than from hunting.

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Mr. veggie, To answer your question NO. Here is one for you Does stiffer penalties stop anyone from committing a crime? Answer NO. So why aren't you out lobbying for better penniless against criminals? Do hunters intentionally go out and comment a crime? NO. The people you should be talking too are the DA. for that county/ or city not here. To get charges brought up against him. If that is what you want.

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Oh boy, looks like Vegas_Hannibal mixed the chili pepper into this thread too. eye roll

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Carrot Top, I find it intriguing that an individual, like yourself, which doesn't hunt would be concerned with hunter safety, hunting regulations, and penalties.

Establishing mandatory eye exams which requires visual impaired hunters to wear, contacts, glass, or other visual aid may appear to be a great idea, and would prevent non-fatal and fatal accidents from occuring, but I highly doubt vision testing and a decrease in hunting related injuries would have, if any, correlation.

Take a blind ignorant man, give him glasses, and the out-come will only be an ignorant man wearing glasses. It's sad, but within the hunting community, there will always be a select few who feel the need to fire at or into bushes whether their blind or not.

Vegan_Cannibal wrote:
The most common hunting accidents are ones where the victim is unseen by the shooter- as the case here with Mr. Brenner. I understand that accidents can and will happen- But despite what some feel, that there is no problem, they're wrong- these numbers shouldn't be so high...

13,975,000 = Thirteen million nine hundred seventy five thousand hunters
1042 = One thousand forty two accidents

Over 13 million hunters wielding guns, shooting bullets, and harvesting game, and only 1042 non-fatal and fatal accidents. Do the numbers really need regulating or would you agree, Tulip, that maybe those so'called Redneck's may actually have hunter safety figured out?

Whenever you find some time, maybe while you're pondering protein ratios between beans and a healthy pound of US raised Garlic Roasted Lamb, you could take a look at this link...

Hunting is becoming safer in Colorado

O'ya, Carrot Top, if you're going to make reference to "STFU", next time spell it out, and let me know what you really think.

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sagebrush wrote:
So why aren't you out lobbying for better penniless against criminals?

who said I'm not?

quicksilver wrote:
Take a blind ignorant man, give him glasses, and the out-come will only be an ignorant man wearing glasses. It's sad, but within the hunting community, there will always be a select few who feel the need to fire at or into bushes whether their blind or not.

That's what scares me.

Beleive it or not Quicksilver this thread itself might be responsible for one less shooting accident. Education is the key and discussing options and realities makes people aware- If you don't agree with the things I say then challenge me on it- (you have and it's been a blast!) So far this has been a great thread- Facts have been discussed, Problems have been identified and solutions have been proposed, what else could you ask for?
I now understand better hunting regulations (but I'm not an expert!) and I am actually suprised that the number of hunting accidents per hunter is on a statistical descent.
You say there is no problem- I say as long as people keep accidently shooting people by accident, there is a problem. That's where we disagree- Personal attacks about what I choose to eat, and fueling fights by name calling is immature and only makes you look like an A**hole (but I'm sure your lack manners has more to do with the way your father (didn't) bring you up than what ever I have to say)

V_C

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V.C. What kind of crusade are you on? Tying to get recognized by the community you live in. So when you die it could be said of all the great things you done in your life time. Maybe you need to get a life. Go out and find a mate for yourself. I think you and Quicksilver need to go fishing together. One last thing from me. accidents will happen in all walks of life. And all the education you try to teach someone, An accident will happen their is always that one person who will find a way. Also this goes along with safety issues/ at home /leisure time/ work what ever have you.

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I find it interesting that a non-hunter is on here giving advice about hunting accidents, I mean, how does THAT work???

Vegan, I think it's time you head on back to your village before they report their idiot missing.

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