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Would stiffer penalties prevent hunting accidents?

In reference to the incedent that occured: http://www.biggamehunt.net/node/12065

Who shoots towards a fence line? I hope Mr. Brenner gets the heaviest punishment for this infraction. Yes it was an accident- but that doesn't excuse him from consequenses of an extremely stupid action. Preventable accidents like this one is the exact reason Animal Rights Activists are trying to rewrite laws that concern hunting and gun possesion. Very sad for the boys involved- I hope all works well for them. I'm gonna mail a cheque to them, I don't even support hunting-but this is horrible.

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Hunting is not the problem here, its stupidity. You will find stupidity in every segment of our society, not just among hunters. Yes, even vegans do stupid things and have stupid accidents.

You look at the overall statistics for hunting and you will see that far fewer people are hurt or killed while hunting than driving ATVs or even vehicles.

Yes it is a tragedy for the above boys & their families & shouldn't have happened, fortunately incidents like this are in the minority. I also hope the responsible parties were held accountable.

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Vegan_Cannibal,

Your not a hunter and your membership here is questionable at best. If your going to bait people and make crass, irrelevant comments, please leave.

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CowGal: Indeed you are correct- some vegans commit negligent acts- and I apologize for generalizing redneck hunters. It's just when I read stuff like this it infuriates me- This accident was SO preventable and these poor children have to pay the price for the for this man's negligence- it's wrong- especially when most hunting penalties, or fines these days are far too lackadaisical. As Moderator points out, I am not a hunter- (I'm not here to bait people and make crass, irrelevant comments either- but thanks for generalizing!)
As far as I am aware there is no law that says that a 75 year old hunter needs to pass certain physical critterium (ie. vision, hearing tests) as in driving, in able to continue hunting- I might be wrong- if so, let me know- I'm here to learn.
There's many good opinions on this forum board- and I enjoy reading them- If you MODERATOR want me to leave/ quit posting I can do that- but I wanna stay- I'll be good and stick to the few threads that are "neutral" and keep most of my personal AR philosophy (preaching) out of nonAR threads. deal?

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it wasn't their father
here's the article: http://www.dunnconnect.com/articles/2004/02/18/news/news07.txt

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Aunt Cindy, this was a terrible accident . I wish for the best during and after recovery for both boys.

Mr./Mrs. Veggie, whenever accidents occur, whether it be hunting or not, it is a quick draw remark to generalize any given situation as being, "so preventable"...

Mr. Brenner fired towards movement behind a clump of bushes to an unknown destination. All of which is outlawed in every hunter saftey manual and is thoroughly covered in DOW lectures.

This happened to be a preventable accident, but each hunter assumes a certain level of risk of injury when entering open public land. All hunters are susceptible to being shot much like football players are to compound fractures, twisted ankles, or crushed vertebrae. Risk is part of the choice to play!

O'ya, Carrot Top, please enlighten the hunting community of what it means to be a "Redneck Hunter", or lets even take it one step further, and explain your perspective of a "Redneck Hunter v.s. Regular Hunter".

Can an individual be a Hunter but not a Redneck, vice versa, and is being a Redneck a negative stigma?

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Well- I see this works- I'm asked not to make crass comments and not to bait in people to gather around my soap box- and members like QuickSilver target me and call me names like "Carrot top" I understand - Thanks pal for isolating me in particular.

To me Quicksilver, it sounds as if you are defending Mr. Brenner here. I can't imagine why you would take this stance- he was clearly in the wrong. Statements like

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. All hunters are susceptible to being shot much like football players are to compound factures, twisted ankles, or crushed vertebrae. Risk is part of the choice to play

are ignorant- why don't you say that to the family of those involved? These children were victims of a serious crime, and it is outragous- Mr. Brenner did something extremely stupid and defending him because you disagree with my personal philosphies is also stupid.
You also want me go into an explanation on what I believe a redneck hunter is?
- I would- but that's not the point here- Don't start fights with me- I removed the word redneck from the previous post- move on.

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This discussion was split off the main topic (donations for turkey hunting accident victims), because it is off-topic.

When splitting I messed up and forgot this post I made last night.

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It is crass and irrelevant.

Irrelevant : The lady is soliciting donations to help the kids, this is not a stepping off point to bluster about the safety of hunting or laws.

Crass : The father accidently shot his two boys, a terrible mistake, and all you can do is call him a stupid redneck.

Vegan

You are correct it was not the father, none the less the original statements by you, and the following responses are off-topic.

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Using Redneck stigma and attaching it to the hunting community is lighting a fuse to an ever luring bomb...

The "Redneck" comment was made, I've taken offense to the remark, and I'm addressing the issue. Step down from your soap box, Mr. Broccoli, I never asked for a fight only an explaination surrounding a veggie'rifc generalization.

Vegan_Cannibal wrote:
These children were victims of a serious crime, and it is outragous- Mr. Brenner did something extremely stupid and defending him because you disagree with my personal philosphies is also stupid.

Accidents happen and the the last time I check, although sometimes it should be, stupidity is not a chargeable offense. Where is the criminal act?

Was his motive to shoot a turkey or a couple of kids?

To say that I support Mr. Brenner is a very shaddy remark and plays off the assumption that I disagree with your personal philosphies. I hold myself and the hunting community to a higher standard and would not act, have my friends act, or the hunting community act in the same manner as Mr. Brenner.

Is there not risk assumed when hunting?

So, Mr. Cabbage, lets make the assumption that my favorite pair of Tony Lama's catagorizes me as a Redneck, I also enjoy the sport of hunting, and in the light of Mr. Brenner: Do my cowbody boots and the sports I enjoy make me stupid and less educated when compared to a person who enjoys greens and chews on tree bark?

Am I trying to start a fight because of your philoposhies or because the fight was already laidout before me?

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As far as this thread goes: How do you penalize an accident?

Around the country, hunters are shot every year, because of gun mishaps, ignorant acts, and down to earth accidents.

Like I've stated before and I'lll state over and over again, hunters understand risk that are involved with hunting, and how to lower those risk. But to slap a penalty, fine, or jail time on a first-time hunter when a gun mis-fires and shoots his buddy, is terrible approach to preventing this type of situation.

I'm sure what Mr. Brenner is going through and having to live with his actions, being a 75 year old hunter looking for a trophy turkey not this tragic accident, is far worse than any loss of hunting privileges, fine, or jail time punishment could inflict.

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Quicksilver wrote:

So, Mr. Cabbage, lets make the assumption that my favorite pair of Tony Lama's catagorizes me as a Redneck, I also enjoy the sport of hunting, and in the light of Mr. Brenner: Do my cowbody boots and the sports I enjoy make me stupid and less educated when compared to a person who enjoys greens and chews on tree bark?

no- but comments like that make you appear stupid and less educated than a person who "enjoys greens and chews on tree bark"

When I origanally commented "who shoots towards a fence line?" "it's stupid redneck hunters like this that make us vegans want to ban or limit hunting" I was speaking from emotion - I wan't attacking your fricken cowboy boots- I wasn't even refering to you ( unless of course you Mr. Brenner) so STFU!
I even edited the "redneck" part out after the first complaint I recieved- SO DROP IT ALLREADY- if you want to debate Animal Rights or what ever your beef is- (perhaps your dad didn't love you and hold you enough as a child) start a thread for it- Your off topic and attacking me, and actually it's starting to tick me off a little.

V_C

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