Saw that on the local news this morning. My buddy had a elk tag for the Island Park area. He didnt see any elk, but plenty of wolf tracks. Delisting, I think, is gonna be a good thing for the big game hunters and ranchers alike.
Here's how I feel (about the wolf thing) "Too Little Too Late" ...
I couldn't disagree more!! I say just in time!!!! I hope in happens soon. Hunting is not dead yet, in fact not by a long shot. It's not too little to late until hunting is dead. It might be a downer period in some areas but once we can start managing then we will start taking back some of the hunting grounds we have lost. It's hard right now in some places but don't hang your heads, we have lost a few battles but we certainly haven't lost the war. Not yet anyway.
Now if the mods of this site will just start a wolf forum, then we can exchange siting info and help each other get the chance to kill a couple of these four legged vermin each.
I will buy a tag in Id, Mt and Wyoming when they come available, just wish they would get it done this winter while they are still prime.
I just hope this happens quick. The local paper said they want to cut 60 packs down to 15. All I got to say is ROCK ON! I'll be first in line for a tag, if it's a public hunt. The best news I've heard all year.
Serious Hunter - I have to admit I have changed my standpoint a bit on wolves. When they were first reintroduced my thinking was "this sucks but soon we'll be able to hunt and limit them. It won't be a big deal an maybe even cool to see a few while out in the wilderness" Now I realize the political agenda of the bunny huggin groups was to make sure wolves were never delisted and they would spread like wildfire and drop big game numbers dramatically which would in turn eliminate the need for human intervention in managing big game herds. That means no more hunting!! I do believe that was their agenda from the beginning and they have been playing it very well.
With that being said.....I support any elimination of wolves. Not because I believe they are some super predator....but because I believe they will be used politically to stop hunting and as long as wolves roam the woods our privilege of hunting will always be a debate in some court room some where. And I believe we will be fighting wolves and wolf politics for the rest of our days.
I think I may have posted elsewhere on this site ... that I have heard from two sources now ... that when the grey wolf was introduced to the Idaho backcountry circa ten years ago on the banks of the Salmon River, that they uncorked their wine and toasted to the end of hunting. I wasn't there. I am simply repeating what I have heard, as I say, from two different sources. But though I wasn't there - I have seen the results. Further, by my estimates they are only counting not more than a third of the actual number of wolves - but, again, my estimates. And, finally, the wolf was never extinct in Idaho to begin with - so why introduce (another) ... unless perhaps there is something more clandestine in mind??? But who am I to say such things? You have perhaps said it better than I. I am just trying to eek out a living, pay my bills, and plink at what few big game animals remain, while I can.
If it is only going to be hunters that thin them out you will never be rid of them. I have lived in wolf country my whole life, most of the time where hunters would shoot them on sight and we had a bag limit of 10 at one time. There were always lots of wolves regardless and still are.
To really thin them down you need experienced trappers and in remote areas you need to resort to choppers and shotgunning from the air as has been done up north. To remove a pack you need to take out the 'entire' pack because if you just shoot a few out of the pack and happen to take out the lead dogs then they split and form smaller groups and wolves that were not allowed to breed before will.
It ain't so easy. After a few get shot and the rest educated.................. Too bad your gov't boys didn't listen to those who have them, but then I have always wondered if there was, as serious hunter put it, "something more clandestine in mind???"
I don't recall where I read this, but it was from the media and in quatations was said that the reintroduction of the wolves was exactly as SH stated. A spokesperson for one of the animal rights groups was quoted, saying that the wolves would not be able to ever be delisted, and would eventually eleminate the need for hunters. He was also quoted, slamming hunters for helping the cause. apperently the were several hunting communities that helped the funding of wolf introduction, with the anticipation of future hunting. The spokeserson was poking fun at hunters say that they bacically couldn't read and didn't the fine print where it was stated that they would not be delisted.
Know, as was said above, it will be a constant war.
I wish I knew what hunting groups were helping this. I also would mind running into this spokesperson in a dark alley somewhere!
Maybe someday we can have a tree hugger season.
I have done everything possible to get my kids involved in hunting. Every time out whether it be scouting, camping or during the actual hunt, I will challenge them to find their way back without using any electronics (GPS). Also without a compass. They know by now that I am going to challenge one of them, so right off the bat when leaving our vehicle or camp they will start picking out land marks to help them out. Makes me and them feel confident that if we were to somehow separate that they...