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Location: Montana
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wolf management doesn`t work

We have practiced wolf managment here in Montana for several generations,as have many familys who depend on thier livestock to feed thier familys,up until recently the program was called "Shoot,Shovel and Shutup!"With the new guidelines its now called "Shoot,take photos and call the F&G",they just got another 2 weeks ago down near Wisdom MT,after they killed 2 calves of course.I cant wait for the new Grizzly Managment program we will have here within a few years,thier managment program has been very similar to the wolves here in recent years,its a damn shame to bury a trophy like that!

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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wolf management doesn`t work

By god, that sounds a wee bit like illegal poaching! Big smile

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Location: Wa.
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wolf management doesn`t work

That's interesting because, I have read anti-hunting article that refered to poachers as hunters.

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Calling a poacher a hunter is no different from calling a militant a soldier.

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Location: Montana
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wolf management doesn`t work

So what do you call a rancher that defends his private property from predators,a couple months ago he was a criminal,now he gets his picture in the paper.That is what the wolf reintroduction program did for the honest landowners of my state,just so morons like this anti-hunter can drive through Yellowstone and listen to he wolves howl.Things are on thier way back to how they should be,the government has relized they cant keep wolves inside an invisible boundry like they planned,and they are tired of paying people to capture and relocate them.

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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Hey, it's still poaching, plain and simple. That's why they have insurance. Of course, they can't all afford it. If the government can pay farmers not to grow more of certain crops, they should be able to pay the ranchers for their losses.

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Location: Montana
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I consider poaching to be taking a game animal out of season or without a tag,a wolf is a predator and a nuisance consider it whatever you want,maybe you and the wolf guy would be more comfortable on the anti-poaching forum?What kind of insurance are you talking about,there is no insurace that ranchers can buy to replace thier livestock lost to predators...and you think the govt will pay them....whats next a tax break?lol

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Location: Wa.
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Whatever the ranchers end up doing. Keep the attorneys out of it. It may get tied up in the court system where they put a hold on all hunting, until it's settled.
Your messing with some very serious stuff.

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Location: Montana
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they have changed the regs so ranchers and livestock owners can shoot any wolf they see in with thier livestock here in MT,in WY they are working on changing the regs so you can shoot em just like coyotes,now that would make sense!Now that the govt has allowed the states to make thier own rules we might some some common sense wolf managment.

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Location: Missouri/Arkansas
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Here's an even better idea: the government funded the wolf reintroduction. Directly or indirectly. That was during the Clinton years. That means they spent money to put the wolves in there. So now they want to spend money to get rid of them? Does that make any sense? NO!

Since they created the whole mess, or allowed it to be created, they should fix it.

Personally, I don't think ranchers should dictate wildlife management. The area here that I live in is also primarily cattle ranchers. If it isn't the wolves it's something else. It's ALWAYS something. There are some that will even try and tell you a bald eagle will swoop down and carry away a calf. Yeah, this 15-20 lb bird can carry away a calf that weighs over 4 times that much. I'd like to see that. I can understand that this is their livelihood and all, but the whole world should not have to bend to their will.

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Location: Montana
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You dont think ranchers should be able to kill predators that kill thier livestock wich is thier sole income?You had better stay clear of this state with that opinion,I promise you you wouldnt get permission to hunt ANYWHERE if they knew what you are really like.

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