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Has anyone heard how the pro-wolfies are doing in their bid to stop the hunting of wolves this fall. I know they filed a while back to stop it, but not heard anything for awhile.

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I was under the impression that Idaho was given the go-ahead on a wolf hunt this year, Montana was waiting it out and Wyoming is being blocked. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain Idaho is going to allow a wolf harvest this year. I thought I even saw regs on the website, but it may have just been planned regs.

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You are correct that we were given a green light, but the anti hunters have filed another lawsuit to try and block it.

These big Canadian killers have brought nothing but death and destruction to our big game heards, and livestock. sad

I do not know since I am new here how much discussion has gone on about the wolves. But all of you in other states that do have good big game should be for managing these animals. They have already migrated over the Snake river into Oregon where they have been killing livestock as fast as they can. I have heard that some have moved into Northern Utah as well.

Contrary to what the pro wolfies try to spew, they do NOT just kill for food, they do it for sport as well. I have witnessed as much, so have several people that I have talked to. Up by Sun Valley they even killed a mountain lion, and left the carcass with the entrails hanging out without so much as eating a single bite.

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When it comes to wolves and cyotes I go by the law of the three S. Shoot shovel and shutup.
My 2 cents
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Fisher King wrote:
When it comes to wolves and cyotes I go by the law of the three S. Shoot shovel and shutup.
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F.K.

Are coyotes protected wildlife in Ontario? In Utah they are considered a nuisance and you can shoot as many as you want and no license is needed. So SSS does not come in to play.

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Well i spoke to a Pr specialist for the IDFG, He was very forth coming about some of the wolf problems. A quite large concern is cash flow, Idaho will take a lagre hit in non res hunter income. my 8 to 10 k is going somwhere else this year along with the people i hunt with. All totaled around 50 to 60 k lost a small amount in the scheme of things, but when you get large amounts of non res and res hunters saying the quality of hunting in Idaho has declined, along with a wavering economy the IDFG has a major concern about the future of its wildlife without funds to operate, managment of wildlife could easly suffer. He told me you might see a steep decline in idaho hunter numbers this year. I know some of you might take this next statment the wrong way, but when i spend that kind of money to hunt i want a good quality hunt where i see animals and have some good opportunitys. And i cannot risk spending the cash on anything less. I will not waste another hunt in Idaho until i am assured the wolf plague has been contained. And the elk and mule deer have recovered to offer better hunting opportunitys, and that could take decades maybe not even in my lifetime! (40 yrs old). With that being said i will stand by that the IDGF is one of the best fish and game agencys to work with and they got caught in the middle of this wolf mess. My heart truly goes out to the people of ID,MT,WY and maybe UT and CO who were force fed the wolf reintroduction just because of a few misguided, extremly selfish, individuals thought it would shure be neat to have wolves around. Our forefathers used wisdom beyond what we exibit nowdays, in containing wolves in the first place. Now with winter range decreasing, urban sprawl and general population increases the idea to reintroduce was one of the worst wildlife programs IMHO to ever be introduced.

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I can't say I disagree with you at this point. I have no problems admitting that in the beginning I really didn't understand what the concern was. I did not support the reintro but I also understood there was no force on earth going to stop it so I came to terms with it. I figured that we would control wolf pops and keep everything in balance along with every other predator we have in the lower 48. I actually thought it would be kind of cool to see and hear wolves in the wild.

Now that I have seen the unchecked devastation they have had I am very angry about this and terrified of what this means long term. I'm worried that human pops will grow (meaning more hunters) and our deer and elk herds will shrink making even getting a tag difficult and game will be scarce when you do. I worry that our limited entry hunts along with my personal honey holes that hold good game pops will deteriate making hunting more like hiking and causing us to reminice about the lost "good ole days".

The deer and elk will never be obliterated by wolves but I also think we can't unscramble the egg either. Wolves are now something we will have to deal with like it or not and they will continue to impact the herds if left unchecked.

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soules2007 I completely agree with you and feel bad for anyone from out of state that spends a bunch of money here. And you are right IDFG is now in a bind. Out of stae money is drying up and the wolves keep eating. Our funding depends on people coming from out of state. IDFG is completly funded by sportsmen, they get NO money from the state here in Idaho

rather_b_huntin I am in your camp too. I didn't care that much when they first started talking about reintroducung them here. But aftert seeing the aftermath is makes me ILL!!

For all of you in the west this is a huge issue, do not allow them in your states. contact your legislators. The poor people of Oregon have already lost this battle because the people that run the state have already passed laws that will never allow wolf management.

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Here's one solution: offer long elk seasons with unlimited either-sex tags. Eradicate the elk population and sans starve the wolves. In a few years we can re-introduce the elk.

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last year there where NO elk left in November northwest of Yellowstone (Cody). we hunted every year and always got our elk in October, when the wolves were first reintroduced.

now, around Cody the livestock are being hit more, and 'incidental' trapping by the officials is increasing.

without elk, the livestock will get it. when the livestock are gone, maybe they'll move EAST to NY or DC...

I saw 5 different wolves last year in the 2 weeks we hunted deer. no elk...

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Like I have always said let them go in Central Park and Disneyland since it is those folks who wanted them back in the wild. We will sell them REAL cheap!

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