Welcome to BGH.

I have never used any premium bullet's for game but have heard some very distrubing things about those bullet's. Think I heard they were going to quit producing them? Doesn't really matter tho as the Barnes triple X is about the same and has a great following. I believe that the bullet's your talking about are copper up front with a lead base inside a steel sleeve. Seem's the reason for dropping them was the cost to make them. But guy's that like them tend to love them. Lot's of bad reports floating around tho. If you go thru the reloading thred, think that's where I put it, you'll find a very excellent post by a Africa PH on bullet's that he let me move over here. Will see if I can find it and tell you.

Firedawg,

There are two in firearms and long guns, pg 10 and 11. One is on bullet failure and one on the 30-06 in Africa. Neither mention the bullet your talking about but he's mentioned it somewhere and doesn't like them.

That guy is GOOD! Anyway they are great reading post on bullet's you might enjoy.

I can only tell you of one experience with this bullet and it was on black bear this past spring. The hunter was sitting at a bait and shooting a .30-06 with this loading and he hit a black bear, a big boar, at about 25 yards in the shoulder. Knocked the bear over but it got up and took off.

No blood initially, then we had some and then it disappeared. Never got the bear. Three weeks later at a bait about 1 1/2 miles from where the incident took place, another hunter shot a nice boar. It was the same bear based on the appearance of the animal.....ie, size, color, chest patch, and the bullet damagein the left shoulder. The bear was limping noticeably when it came in to the bait.

After we skinned the bear, we cut into the shoulder and found a bunch of bruised tissue and fragments of a bullet. It appeared that the bullet hit the
joint at the bottom of the shoulder blade and shattered.

Not a good recommendation I am afraid.

Thanks for the info., I will definately look into the triple shock! Do you have to reload them or can you buy them commercially?

Don,
I think you are mistaking the xp3 for the Fail Safe. Winchester is going to drop the fail safe. The xp3 has a Ballistic tip, copper front, lead core on back half, no steel sleeve. The xp3 is brand new and looks like quite a bullet on really big game.Kind of overkill for elk and especially deer though.
Hank