Supprisingly the cheapo slugs shot consistant groups out to 50 yards at about 4 inches. I know you can get better with sabot slugs, but you have to consider that these are with a smooth bore Remington 870 20 gauge. I'm going to try these when I go deer hunting next year. Does anybody out there know how these group at 75 to 100 yards. I mean if these group well at those ranges(when I mean well I mean under 6 inches) they could easily take down hogs and deer under 75 yards. Does anybody know how good the expansion is on these, because I haven't done any expansion testing yet.