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Winchester

I finally took the plunge and bought a hunting rifle. I have always wanted one and always wanted to get into hunting. My girlfriend bought me a guitar from a pawn shop for my birthday and i hated it. So i took it back to get a different guitar but they didn't have anything better. They did however have some rifles. It came down to 2 for me, a Remington 700 or a Winchester 70. They both had scopes but the rem didn't have a floor plate and it had a synthetic stock. Being a woodworker by trade i opted for the nice walnut stock of the Winchester 70. I now know that i overpaid for my gun. I'm pretty sure its an XTR in 270, it was made in 72 and it has a Sigh-tron scope. I payed 500 dollars for the gun and didn't think much about it when i bought it but after researching prices i think i over-payed by about 100 or so bones. Anyways, whats done is done and I now am the proud owner of "the rifleman's rifle", albeit its not a pre-64 I still like it.

I was wondering though if someone could answer a question, I know that the range of my gun is about 700 yards, kills at 1000 have been made but im thinking I wont be making any over 200 or 300. when you sight in your scope at say 200 yards and then go hunting, what do you do when your target is closer or farther? Do you adjust for elevation and windage on your scope again? or do you just guess? Say you see a buck at 300 yards and you just sighted your scope at 100 yards, how do you compensate for the extra distance? Thanks in advance for any help and Im happy to be a part of these forums.

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Re: Winchester

First, congrats on your Winchester 70. Keep in mind that these rifles are not made anymore the way they were made and eventually they will be worth more that what you paid for it.

Now, on you ??? about the compensation, it all depends on the ammo your using (caliber, grains) and the kind of hunting you'll be doing.

I own a Win 70 in .270 which I have sighted in @ 3" high @ 100 yds. This way @ 200 yds it'll be dead on and @ 300 it'll be approximately 7" low. Again that the set up on my personal rifle. You should probably go out to the range, try yours out and see what it can do.

Hope this helps and keep us posted. Big smile

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Re: Winchester

Congrats on your new purchase. I use the Model 70 Featherweight almost exclusively for biggame, mine is in .270 Win. I don't think you overpaid for it, but a lot depends on the condition of the rifle.

I don't make any adjustments to my scope for windage or elevation while hunting. Fiddling with knobs on your scope while in the field hunting is only seen on tv or in the movies, just like everything else Hollywood does, they get it wrong. Your scope should be adjusted and zero'd at the shooting range from a benchrest. Keep it simple. Like prhunter said above, with the cross hairs on target I sight-in mine in to hit 3 inches high at 100 yrds, 0 at 200 yrds, hold over 3 to 4 inches high at 300 yards. My numbers are a bit different than prhunter gave above because I reload my own hunting rounds and load them a bit hotter, so they shoot flatter than standard commercial .270 loads. Again, keep it simple, you don't want to be fiddling with knobs and getting things out of adjustment while actually hunting.

I don't know of any actual kills on biggame that have been made out to 1000 yards. When you hear stories like that it's total exaggeration i.e. bullshit! In fact anyone would be a fool to attempt a kill on biggame beyond 500 yards, though some do try it. They are the type who confuse long range target shooting with actual hunting or they try to play special-ops sniper while hunting. They confuse hunting with something completely different, and it's wrong!!

As far as hunting goes - if you can't get to within 200 yrds of your game animal, then you need to seriously re-thing your hunting strategy. Only very bad hunters and very underskilled hunters make any attempt to shoot beyond a reasonable distance. A competent hunter is ethical and is always going to be concerned with making a clean humane kill on game. There is a lot of eithics and safety that comes into play when hunting. There is also a lot more involved in hunting than just the rifle or the shot itself. Keep that in mind.

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Re: Winchester

Thank you for the replies, I will take the gun to the woods soon to sight it in. There are no rifle ranges near where i live so ill have to make my own. Thank you for answering my questions, I am a total noob when it comes to hunting and the points that where brought up make total sense. I do want to be an ethical hunter and as such I'm probably going to have to either find someone to teach me the finer points of hunting or pay for some outings. Thanks again guys and after refinishing the gun-stock ill post some pics.

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Re: Winchester

For what it's worth, I don't think you over paid either. You have a fine rifle and scope combo there and sightron makes expensive high end scopes. Thumbs up You got some good advice above and although there is a crowd shooting extreme long range big game I would never think of it as hunting.

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Re: Winchester
fattycakes wrote:
Thank you for the replies, I will take the gun to the woods soon to sight it in. There are no rifle ranges near where i live so ill have to make my own. Thank you for answering my questions, I am a total noob when it comes to hunting and the points that where brought up make total sense. I do want to be an ethical hunter and as such I'm probably going to have to either find someone to teach me the finer points of hunting or pay for some outings. Thanks again guys and after refinishing the gun-stock ill post some pics.

Glad we could help point you in the right direction. For starters, you have joined one of the best hunting forums online. There is a pretty good crowd here. Participate often on this forum and you'll likely pick up some usefull info, but I do caution against believing every piece of advise you get online. There is a lot of good info out there, but also a lot of erroneous stuff. Experience is the best teacher and a lot of folks on this site have it. There are also a lot of good books out there at Boarders, Barns and Noble, and Amazon. Jim Zumbo has written a few and his advice on hunting seems to be pretty good. M.D Johnson also has written a few excellent books mainly on waterfowl, but his writtings on hunting in general are well worth reading even if it is only biggame you are initially interested in. Contact your states division of wildlife for hunters safety course and take the course. Take it in person, not online. You'll benefit from meeting in person for the course, as there should be plenty of opportunity to ask questions and even strike up conversations during the break with dads who's sons are taking the course. Many of those dad's are experienced hunters, so use it to your advantage. I strongly recommend taking an NRA certified firearms course before you do anything else. Gun safety and safe handling should be first and foremost on your mind. You can then branch off to various specifics in hunting and shooting as time goes on and as you gain more experience, but learn the basics first. A final word of caution: You have just entered a sport that is highly addictive. Most people are never able to turn back once they have begun. Hunting, shooting, and reloading have been my passion since my father got me hooked at age 10, and now there is no hope for me. Hope this helps and welcome to BGH forum. Big smile

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