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Will vote for McCain but....

Can we have a worse candidate than McCain? Well yes, Obama, but his performance in the debate was so dismal. Nothing changed from the last debate. Man, adapt....you know how Obama is going to respond to your answers, be prepared to counter, but no.....same old tired response.

And drop the "my friends" - it doesn't work.

McCain says to Obama, I wish you read the letter I wrote about the immenent economic crisis - geez, if you wrote the letter, then where is it - why not pull it from your jacket and stick it in Obama's face and then pass it around to the audience.

Get fired up my friend!

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Will vote for McCain but....

There was a movie back in the nineties starring Mickey Rourke and Faye Dunaway called Barfly. Rourke played a skid row alcoholic barfly and whenever he came across a little money he would by all the other barfly's drinks and proclaim "to all my friends, to all my friends,"!

That exactly what was brought to my mind when he kept saying the "my friends" line. No other point then to say that's what it reminded me of to hear him keep saying that.

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Will vote for McCain but....

Last night's debate was a huge disappointment. It was the same 'ole rhetoric from both of them. The one thing I wanted to hear from McCain is some kind of assertion that HE is running for president not Bush! Or a better explanation why his tax plan is better. I feel it is, but I don't see McCain explaining it very well. I research the candidates on my own, as I believe many of you do too, however many people don't. Ads and the debates are about all they'll ever learn about the candidates.

Geez, this country is in a downward spiral and all we hear is how they're going to spend more money and make it all wonderful. There's a lot more going on than just a lack of health insurance and bad housing loans. I was also unclear if McCain's proposal to have the government "buy" house loans and readjust was part of the bailout or this is a NEW bailout for homeowners who are in over their heads.

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
... when he kept saying the "my friends" line...quote]

No worse than Obama saying "look... " all the time. I find that not only annoying but condescending as well.

Both Obama and McCain use certain words & phrases repeatedly and it gets old. I think I'm just weary of this campaign and want it to be over with. In fact ALL campaigns go for too long!

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I was also unclear if McCain's proposal to have the government "buy" house loans and readjust was part of the bailout or this is a NEW bailout for homeowners who are in over their heads.

It's something new

It would bailout homeowners and also more importantly the banks who made the loans. A similar plan (passed by congress) would have the banks eat some of the cost of a write down on the value of the home, and the homeowner would have to payback the government if they sold on the upside. The new plan would have the taxpayers absorb the difference between the cost of the original house and the revalued house that is underwritten by FHA loan. (5 1/4%) I think the bank gets the difference in the interest also.

I'd assume Phil Graham is still McCain's principal economic advisor, this sounds like his kind of thing. He is currently working for a swiss bank for those who wish to relocate assets from the US. All in all I'd have to say sounds like a great plan. Socialized risk for banks and a straw for BK homeowners to grasp, taxpayer pays.

I too watch the debates and am underwhelmed. Same old trite talking points both have been trotting out for weeks. But then the intended audience is different. McCain is I assume talking to his base, Ombama is speaking to undecideds. If you watch the meters from the dials of the undecideds on I think CBS you can see them jump to the positive on Obama and flatline or dive while McCain was speaking. The same thing happened to me on the other two debates. Performances that I thought were uninspiring had a big affect on undecideds. The snap poles at the end trended towards Obama sometimes two to one.

In both debates Obama is respectfull, some say too much so. McCain is angry, he hates Obama's guts. This is all reflected in the polls.

There must be a ceiling somewhere, I'd expect a tightening as we get closer to the 4th. Can a black guy rise above 50% in presidential politics? I talk to Republicans and Unafiliateds on a daily basis about thier choices, I'm often amazed.

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In CVC's original post he wrote,

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McCain says to Obama, I wish you read the letter I wrote about the immenent economic crisis - geez, if you wrote the letter, then where is it - why not pull it from your jacket and stick it in Obama's face and then pass it around to the audience.

I was supprised by this mention of a letter, sounded too much like the one Obama keeps reffering to. I have noticed a penchant for repeating Obama's points.

All enquiries to the McCain campaign turn up nothing. No record of any letter anywhere yet. No more talking about a letter. Never was one as far as anyone can tell. Just made up stuff?

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Frankly, I just can't trust that Obama's the one to fix the economy when he took so much Fannie Mae political money and was so vocal in his opposition to Republican calls for regulation.

At least, that's how he felt when Fannie Mae was working for his benefit. Now that it's an albatross, he's trying to throw all his history down the memory hole and claim Bush and McCain screwed it up.

Funny how he does that a lot. Whether it's his relationship with Wright, Ayers, ACORN, Fannie Mae, Iraq, or the 2nd Amendment, he erases years of history by simply reversing his position and claiming that he's always felt that way. It's downright Orwellian.

The scary thing is how many people go along with it.

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Yes, it is scary how many people don't care that Ayers and Obama have a relationship and make excuses for the relationship.

How stupid is a politician that goes to someone's home for a fund raiser or sits on a board with them and doesn't know they are a domestic terrorist?

They are either extremely stupid or a liar.

What do Ayers, Timothy McVeigh and Bin Laden have in common? They are all terrorist who have blown up US federal buildings.

Why was one of the three put to death for his crimes, why are we trying to kill another of the three and why is one an associate of the presidential candidate? Makes no sense to me on the last one.

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From Joe Vogler founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American,"

Another, "I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

Also from him, "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.".

and, "I won't be buried under their damned flag...when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Todd Palin a cary carrying member of this group from 95 to 02. Sara Palin gave key note address at AIP convention in 06. These actions were when they were in fact adults not eight year old children.

The words are those of a terrorist who hates the US and they show undeniable support for this terrorist goal. How can any American support this action????

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McCain supporters in PA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fbpZXivv-M&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/

I keep waiting for a burning effigy hanging from a tree.

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Let's be honest here, SoCo. Joe Vogler died in 1993 -- two years before Todd supposedly joined the party. And Vogler never bombed anybody -- he was never a terrorist. And by the way -- Obama met with Ayers as a politician, Todd was a private citizen. Todd also left the party (by your figures) six years ago. Obama didn't denounce Ayers until he became a liability. You can't even begin to compare Todd Palin to Obama. The two aren't even in the same ballpark.

AIP is based on the premise that Alaska got a raw deal from a Federal government that treats it like a colony. Its platform isn't simply an argument for succession -- it wants Alaska to be treated fairly.

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