Anyone else watch the show Wild Justice on Nat Geo? I've gotten into it. Pretty interesting. I've always been aware of the duties of game wardens and how isolated their job can be. One thing that has really shocked me is just how much pot is being grown in our wilderness. I'm always armed when scouting and of course when hunting, but I think I'm more paranoid now about scouting during the summer season than I was before. My only gripe about that show is that they just don't clarify when any hunter they approach is hunting lawfully. They kind of make it sound as if every hunter they make contact with is guilty until proven innocent.
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Mon, 2011-02-21 12:30
Mon, 2011-02-21 12:56#1
I have tried to watch most of
I have tried to watch most of it since it began and it is an interesting show. A lot of the problems that I see in it is the narrator when he doesn't know when to say poacher or when to say hunter it seams that he figures that they are one in the same. Also after watching the last episode that I saw there was a younger warden that could of let some fishermen off with a real good warning but he wrote them a citation. I personally believe that with him being on TV with the film crew right there with him that he had to write the citation and that was it.
As far as the marijuana grows it is out there. I have some friends that are county sheriffs in Utah and you wouldn't believe the stories that they tell of finding the grow plots and the size of some of them. I have known of a couple of them before they were busted and never knew of any problems with them except that they were illegal and on BLM property, but anymore if I saw a irrigation pipe in the wrong place I think that I would be doing some backtracking and watching what was happening around me real close. Also in all the wandering around that I have done in the area that I live and hunt in I have not noticed any around me but I could see a problem with an area close to Denver, Colorado Springs, or Boulder.
Tue, 2011-02-22 09:10#2
I'm hearing more and nore about large pot grows in the national forest areas west of Denver. Apparently there was a very large grow busted in a State Wildlife Area just west of Boulder/Golden back in '09. It's an area I hunt from time to time and scout almost every year. I never would have thought. I might have walked right through it an never noticed because the growers weren't planting them in plots, but rather scattering the plants randomly throughout to look more natural and less detectable. The growers are getting smart, but also dumber too.
It really amazes me that anyone would attempt to grow that stuff in a SWA. Those areas get visited by CDOW biologists regularly throughout the year and scouted by some hunters during the summer. I mean it's really a bad place to plant. It just bothers me because I know nature can be unforgiving and I expect that, but to be scouting an area and also be at risk of someone killing you to keep you quiet really makes me uneasy. I'm always observant when out and about, but I'm more paranoid now. I mean the fact that if I come across some guys who look like growers, who shouldn't be where I am in the woods and the idea that I may have to shoot first and ask questions later - that really bothers me. Hell I'll do it! No way in hell I'm coming out of the woods in a body bag just because there is a high demand for pot. I blame both the illegals and the domestic pot consumers equally as bad. Now we're being put in grave danger in the woods during lawful enjoyment all because Americans have a demand for and a need for their pot.
Tue, 2011-02-22 09:30#3
The episode where the warden sneaks up on those bear hunters was pretty interesting. The warden had been looking to bust some bear poachers who were trafficing bears parts, but I think the group he ambushed weren't the bad guys at all. The show had to make it look like they were the ones because of the amount of time it took to track and ambush the hunters on camera. Typically poachers trafficing bears parts are going to just kill the bear and take what parts they need and then leave the carcass where it lays. The group that was ambushed by the warden seemed to be a bit taken aback and stunned by his presence but I think they were legitimate lawful hunters. They had a tag and were packing out the bear. Perhaps they were saving the gall bladder for their own use. I think they all looked worried because they thought they were going to get busted for even cutting the gaul bladder out. I don't know, it just seemed as if the show had to make it out to be more that it really was. I understand the wardens job and responsibilities, but in a way I also understand why many people (including myself) are so untrusting and wary of the government and law enforcement. Sometimes what they do in their job ends up boardering on harassment of otherwise good people. I'd sure hate to go through all that hard work, effort, and expense of a lawful bear hunt just to have a warden ambush and tell me I can't keep certain parts of my hard earned game animal. That would piss me off something terrible.
Tue, 2011-02-22 10:13#4
I think that what happened on
I think that what happened on that episode is that the person that had the gall bladder wasn't the hunter who had the tag and if I remember right most of the people there were being quite evasive in answering any questions. But I agree that if I was the hunter and the warden told me that I couldn't have parts of the animal that I had a tag for I would also be quite mad. I also agree that a lot of it is hyped up just because of the cameras but that still doesn't make it right.
In general all of my experiences with game wardens have been on the friendly side but then I have always been legal and haven't tried to hide anything from them when they ask me a question. I have also make a few of them my friends by offering advise to a couple of them that were lost when they were patrolling a area that they didn't know that well, that along with sitting down under a mesquite tree one year in Arizona and sharing a pizza and a cold pop with one.
Tue, 2011-02-22 13:05#5
try not to hide anything
I agree, it pays to be straight up with cops and wardens if they contact you. I never worry because I obey the laws. Most of my encounters with wardens have been friendly, at least in Colorado and NM. Montana is a whole other story. Only had contact with two up there and both we complete a$$holes. With one of them it was us who made contact with him to ask for some info on the area. The guy treated us like dirt and then started looking for any little thing he could see or find to harass us about. When it was all said and done, he'd found nothing illegal and no rules, regs, or laws broken. I know we hadn't done anything wrong. I walked away from that encounter wondering WTF was his problem!! If I didn't know better I would have thought he was hiding something that he didn't want us to see when we approached him just by the way he treated us. The other time a warden snuck up on us while duck hunting and after doing his job he decided to lingering there giving us a rough time about every move any of us made. I don't know what in the world set him off either. We were all up front and cooperative. I guess this is why I tend to side with those bear hunters. Who knows what other experiences those bear hunters had with harassment before. There comes a point when you can only be harassed enough times before you stop torerating it and start making the wardens job more difficult. May not be a good idea to do so, but it makes you want to anyway. I know from my own experience with those two run-ins that it really left me with a low opinion and very cautious of dealings with the wardens in Montana. Though I'm sure they're not all like that.
I find the show interesting, but think the way it's edited and narrarated it doesn't really tell the whole story of every encounter. Over all it seems to be oriented to make hunting out to be evil by indicating that hunting is poaching and to fuel the anti's sentiment towards hunting and wildlife in general.
Tue, 2011-02-22 20:00#6
I really like watching that
I really like watching that show. I have not seen a new episode here in a while. Hopefully that will change soon. Watching that show really shows what a warden will go thru on a daily basis. They seem to spend as much time chasing drug dealers as they do chasing poachers. Would be nice to see some other states on the show.
Wed, 2011-02-23 12:31#8
nope, never heard of it. But National Geographic usually has pretty good stuff. At least the filming and editing is generally good even if it has a liberal eco-terrorist bent once in a while, it is still a pelasure to watch.
Thu, 2011-02-24 09:16#9
I still like a lot of what Nat Geo does. I just wish they'd get back closer to their roots. I mean since when do gangs and prison life have anything to do with what their scope of business is? I suppose you could justify it by saying that gangs and prison is a type of subculture that exists and Nat Geo goes around the globe bringing to light many culture or subcultures, but that new prison and gang stuff just seems out of realm with that Nat Geo is supposed to be doing. I'd rather watch stuff on animals and geographically oriented stuff, and when I say animals I don't mean inmate convicts either.
Overall I find Wild Justice interesting. I agree. I too would like to see episodes done of other states as well. Make it like the show "Cops" for game wardens or something.
Thu, 2011-02-24 14:19#10
I havent seen this show, but
I havent seen this show, but it sounds very similair to Wardens on the Outdoor channel. I have only caught a few minutes here and there of that show, it sounds like the same thing, The ones i have seen were wardens in Montana. It would be cool if they did multiple state on a show like that. I know here in oregon there is a huge problem with people shooting from there rigs and the wardens and osp do stings to catch people in the act of doing this. If you youtube oregon poachers you can see some of the videos on this. Its kinda interesting. some of these people have there kids with them, what kind of an example are they setting for the future of our sport.