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Have a read some very interesting thoughts...
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_5_47/ai_72407709/pg_2

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Seems like toward the end it turned into a pitch for the ultra-mags and short mags.

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This trend toward the ultra velocity powder burners is all marketing.

The standard rounds will hold their own. That's all that almost all hunters can handle or the ranges that they can accurately hit anything.

They're promoting on the premise that it will make you a 500 yd hunter. There's a sucker born every 10 minutes.

I know a few hunters that have rifles in these high velocity powder burners. They still don't shoot at game beyond the range that a standard proven round is capable of. Where is the necessity. The bullet might get there about a 100th of a second faster and have 3/4" less drop. 200-400 ft/lbs more of unnecessary energy and an additional 20 to 30 yds of point blank range.
Is that really enough to make a difference. Get real.

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My cousin bought the 7 ultra the minute it hit the shelf,he cant hit the broadside of a barn at 300 yards,mad eye roll e me laugh real hard when he told me about its range ect.

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Honestly, I think the 7mm Ultra Mag is a piece of garbage. A waste of powder. It uses this huge case, bigger than even the 7mm STW, and it takes a massive amount of powder per-increment, to achieve the advertised velocities. There is no powder efficiency at all with that round.

It also kicks harder than a 300 Win. Mag. Just about any of the knowledgeable gun writers will tell you the recoil level dished out by a 30-06 is about as much as most hunters can handle. The yearbook excuse people make to justify the use of one of these monsters is ''when I make the shot, I want to KNOW it will take the animal down.'' When I shot the buck in Arkansas at Christmastime last year at 300 yards with my 30-06, I KNEW he went down, and he never got up.

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don't want to argue weather they are good or not but i have a .270WSM and i have never missed a shot that was not my own fault. Won't say it's any better or worse but it is a damn good gun and caliber and i really enjoy it

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I never said anything about the 270 WSM. My post was about the 7mm Ultra Mag. Of the four Ultra Mag rounds on the market today, the 7mm Ultra has the least utility, and is the least efficient. The 300 Ultra Mag is more useful, as it provides a shooter with 300 Weatherby Magnum ballistics, but with more readily obtainable rifles and ammunition. The 338 Ultra Mag is a more readily available version of the 340 Weatherby Magnum. The 375 Ultra Mag I have not actually seen or fired, but it functions as a souped up 375 H & H. It's considerably less powerful than the 378 Weatherby Magnum, however.

On the other hand, the 7mm Remington Magnum, 300 Winchester Magnum, 338 Winchester Magnum all give the hunter about the same performance on big game as their Ultra Mag counterparts. Properly reloaded, they can also approach the ballistics of the Ultra Mag versions.

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I think military adoption is a huge plus for a cartridge. I suspect the 6.8 SPC is going to be around for a long time and will eventually see good penetration in the hunting market.

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I also have rifles in 270 wsm and 300 wsm.
I enjoy shooting both and find them to be more efficient and as usful as their Win Mag and Wea Mag counterparts with less overall weight, length and recoil to deal with and accomplished with less powder.
I don't see where they will alter the course of the firearms industry but, they are a very good addition.
I can see the use of the belts on rounds changing. Any round that has a shoulder to headspace from doesn't need the belt. If they were to develop a series of non belted rounds that offered the same performance, capacity and efficiency as the 264 mags, 7mm mags, 300 mags and the 338 mags. They could possibly become as popular as the belted wonders.

In my humble opinion, Remington, Dakota and Lazaroni have started a change for the better. If they could tone them down a bit so they are a little more tolerable to shoot and readily available to the average buyer. Winchester and Remington have a gold mine with their short mags

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I had thought about that too, creating non-belted ammo for the currently belted cartridges that will still chamber so the people who use them don't have to buy new rifles to chamber them in. Unfortunately, it's not reality. The whole idea behind these new hotshot rounds is to sell not only newer and more expensive ammo, but also new rifles.

The only real exception to this, and it doesn't exactly apply to magnums, is the new Hornady LM and Federal High Energy ammo. In my experience, neither offers the performace that has been advertised. They seem to increase recoil more than they increase velocity. And they are not more accurate than other factory ammo.

It also seems like ammo companies have been backing off their loads with certain rounds, particularly the 270 Winchester, which was once loaded well over 3100 fps, in fact, well on its way toward 3200 fps MV with a 130 grain bullet. I figure if the old 270 were still loaded like this the WSM version wouldn't be much of a hit.

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While Ultra Mags and WSM's keep the gun and ammo manufactures in business, I'm happy with a plain ol' 30-06.

Just my opinion.

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