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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

Well this is a question that coverd in the International Bowhunters Education Program course. Its a hot topic nuntheless. But its all up to ethics and who can be the bigger hunter in a bad situation.
Personaly if I shot and made a bad non lethal shot and the deer runs. I don't care if 20 people put arrows in it the first kill shot gets it. I've taken down game others have shot in my party. Its theirs for all I care.
The first blood thing is a desprite hunter trick IMO. As mentioned before. If ya nick the deer and it runs and someone else shoots it and drops it. I don't see how you can justify non lethal shot to a lethal one. Sure a gut shot deer will die if let be to bed up and time take its course. But NO deer is worth fighting over with fists or guns for that matter.

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I was hunting in VA on the last day of rifle season and the Blizzard of 95' was setting in. I was sitting on a hillside w/ my 2 uncles, smoking cigarettes, looking over a hardwoods creek bottom. We were getting ready to pack it in for the year when we heard a shot ring out 150 yds to our left. Seconds later a doe comes running towards us and my uncles shoot simultaneusly. At this point the doe is still running and I dropped it with a 150 gr 30/30 round. the doe had two holes 1 inch apart behind the shoulder crease. So me and one of my unles drilled the deer, well the guy who fired first came walking up to claim "his" prize. He said he shot it first then heard us shoot. The only problem was the blood trail started at the spot where my uncles shot first. The guy still insisted it was his Brick Wall,) So I told the guy I would split the deer in half with him if I could tag it and he would drag it to our truck. He agreed. When we got to the truck he told me to just keep the whole thing. I said "thank you, but are you sure you don't want half a deer you didn't shoot?" Laugh What a dope

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I have taught Hunter Education for more than 45 years and this question comes up all the time!!! In most states, legal possesion belonges to the person who made a fatal shot that resulted in them taking possesion of the animal, regardless of whom else might have made a fatal shot that did not stop the animals flight. That is the LEGAL answer, which is not always the ETHICAL response. Sometimes a Conservation Officer has to make that determination and requires the Wisdom of Solomon!!

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I agree. I was just saying if a gun got pointed at me I wouldnt take to lightly to the situation. I dont think anyone can say they would.

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In total agreement with ya Old Professor and I too have taught several Archery Safety Awareness classes and this is one popular question and problem, especially in Archery since the animal rarely drops where hit. As far as the gun issue I stand by my reaction whole heartedly. But Its also not the reaction I would endorse from most others. Me being trained in combat situations and trained to look for certain things gave me a slight increase in awareness and assesment of the situation. I do not nor will I condone fighting over a deer, ESPECIALLY when firearms are concerned. We are all brothers and sisters in this world of hunting and we all need to learn the values of brotherhood.

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There are times that issues can get nasty before a deer is even shot or at the site of one down. Take '04 for example. Was hunting California's coastal A-zone general deer season opener with 2 friends. Found a campsite along a crick under about the only trees in the area too bad it was taken by some hikers. 2 days into the hunt we seen them leave as we draged a deer off the hill. We had camp down in less than 10 and moved into that spot and had camp back up in the same (A-frame pop up trailor). If you have ever hunted CA's A-zone its common for 100 degree temps so this spot was prime to camp. We just finiashed rehanging the deer behind the trailor when a bronco flies up and slams on the breaks nearly hitting the front of our truck and skidding into the crick. 5 hispanics jump out with rifles in hand and pistols on the hip. 2 started yelling at up in spanish (only spanish I know is asking for a beer). The other 3 start walking through our camp checking out our stuff 1 even poked his head into the trailor. Then the 3 walked up to each one of us and got about 3 foot away and 1 said this camp site was theirs and for us to pack our Sh** and get the Fu** out. Then one of the other 2 said something in spanish and thay all walked around the trailer to look at the deer. Not a big deer just a large forky. They came back and said this was the deer they was also after and they had the notion to take it. 1 of my friends there is 6'4 about 260 and solid. He told them to leave we got the site first and in no way was they taking his deer. At this point a guy walked up to him and said if he knew what was good for him we'd pack up and leave. All our guns where locked in the truck. At this point they got in the bronko and left.
We waited around camp for another hour even flagged down a warrden and told them the what happend. They informed us they had done this to 3 other camps the same day and thats who they was after. So we went back out hunting and when we got back the truck had 2 slashed tires, a window in the trailor broken and slashed tire, the deer was on the ground cut to shreds and the antlers gone, the table top BBQ was gone along with 2 lanters. Needless to say we filed a police report and got help getting the tires fixed.
There are those SOB hunters out in the oods that don't care and will do what they please to whom ever they please. Lucky for us no one got hurt and it was only property damage. We never got word if they ever cought the guys. Regardless of the situation its always better to back away and keep a cool head.

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Bullbuster wrote:
There are times that issues can get nasty before a deer is even shot or at the site of one down. Take '04 for example. Was hunting California's coastal A-zone general deer season opener with 2 friends. Found a campsite along a crick under about the only trees in the area too bad it was taken by some hikers. 2 days into the hunt we seen them leave as we draged a deer off the hill. We had camp down in less than 10 and moved into that spot and had camp back up in the same (A-frame pop up trailor). If you have ever hunted CA's A-zone its common for 100 degree temps so this spot was prime to camp. We just finiashed rehanging the deer behind the trailor when a bronco flies up and slams on the breaks nearly hitting the front of our truck and skidding into the crick. 5 hispanics jump out with rifles in hand and pistols on the hip. 2 started yelling at up in spanish (only spanish I know is asking for a beer). The other 3 start walking through our camp checking out our stuff 1 even poked his head into the trailor. Then the 3 walked up to each one of us and got about 3 foot away and 1 said this camp site was theirs and for us to pack our Sh** and get the Fu** out. Then one of the other 2 said something in spanish and thay all walked around the trailer to look at the deer. Not a big deer just a large forky. They came back and said this was the deer they was also after and they had the notion to take it. 1 of my friends there is 6'4 about 260 and solid. He told them to leave we got the site first and in no way was they taking his deer. At this point a guy walked up to him and said if he knew what was good for him we'd pack up and leave. All our guns where locked in the truck. At this point they got in the bronko and left.
We waited around camp for another hour even flagged down a warrden and told them the what happend. They informed us they had done this to 3 other camps the same day and thats who they was after. So we went back out hunting and when we got back the truck had 2 slashed tires, a window in the trailor broken and slashed tire, the deer was on the ground cut to shreds and the antlers gone, the table top BBQ was gone along with 2 lanters. Needless to say we filed a police report and got help getting the tires fixed.
There are those SOB hunters out in the oods that don't care and will do what they please to whom ever they please. Lucky for us no one got hurt and it was only property damage. We never got word if they ever cought the guys. Regardless of the situation its always better to back away and keep a cool head.

.....glad i don't live in cali never heard of that kind of thing happening here or any other province i've hunted , have you ever considered moving ?

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cam69conv wrote:
Hehehehe Its all that was poking out from behind an oak and I rarely go for a head shot. As far as the rifle swinging towards my direction there was a lot of things taken into account in that split second. Body posture, aggressive tone already, and several other things that makes training take over. Id rather face assault charges than being shot personaly. LoL deer are tough critters. I shot a nice fat young doe once, Rifle 8mm mauzer, distance 45 yards, Shot placement, animal quartering away perfectly right behind the shoulder, Deer ran behind a tree TOWARDS me and stood there looking around for like 45 seconds. Didint even shake or anything. Hell I thought I missed. Kept the rifle on her, she stepped out BANG another one right behind the shoulder. She ran about 100 yards before dropping. Get to her, first shot took out the top part of the heart, second shot took out the rest. They dont always just drop!!! Not even with a huge caliber. Granted yes most deer fall flat out when I hit them with old Betsy (.444) but not always. And like I said it was on the way down. It wasnt a question of if I wanted it. It was the fact of the guy just being a plain old Butthole about it.

...i most always will take a head shot if i can especially in the evening hunt ...saves a lot of meat too if i were to miss , well there's always another day or another deer and i don't have to track it after dark or risk losing it to the yote's, I've also shot deer through the heart and had them run 100 yrds before they drop but mostly i didn't hit bone with those shots they just go till the blood is all pumped out, if i hit bone they mostly do a cartwheel ...but what the heck things happen . Thumbs up good hunting to you

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Holy crap Ballbuster that dosent sound like a fun place to hunt. We dont have any mexicans around here that I know of, but Im sure if we did they wouldnt act like that. I woukdnt have been to impressed.

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