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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

On another hunting forum the question came up as to who was the rightful "owner" of a downed deer...the one who killed it or the one that caused "first blood" whether it was a lethal shot or not.

I couldn't believe the "first blood" idea where even a knick of the skin and tiny trickle of blood lead some hunters to believe it was "their" deer.

One responder indicated there was "north/south" attitude where one view prevailed in one region of the country vs. the other.

I can understand the first shooter feeling the deer is theirs if their shot was mortal, the deer just hadn't expired yet and a 2nd hunter puts it down for the count. I can understand a heated arguement there.

but a flesh wound where the deer could keep on running into the next county? Never die from the grazing wound in the shoulder? gimme a break!

One hunter said his uncle shot the deer first, grazed the shoulder, the deer ran by the nephew and he made a killing shot. When the uncle walked up to the nephew, the uncle "claimed" the deer as he had "first blood".

Is this common? How in the world can any hunter claim it's "his/her" deer if they didn't mortally wound the animal?

Guess you can tell which side of the issue I come down on...

Is there a regional trend here? What say you?

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Re: Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?
elarsen wrote:
On another hunting forum the question came up as to who was the rightful "owner" of a downed deer...the one who killed it or the one that caused "first blood" whether it was a lethal shot or not.

I couldn't believe the "first blood" idea where even a knick of the skin and tiny trickle of blood lead some hunters to believe it was "their" deer.

One responder indicated there was "north/south" attitude where one view prevailed in one region of the country vs. the other.

I can understand the first shooter feeling the deer is theirs if their shot was mortal, the deer just hadn't expired yet and a 2nd hunter puts it down for the count. I can understand a heated arguement there.

but a flesh wound where the deer could keep on running into the next county? Never die from the grazing wound in the shoulder? gimme a break!

One hunter said his uncle shot the deer first, grazed the shoulder, the deer ran by the nephew and he made a killing shot. When the uncle walked up to the nephew, the uncle "claimed" the deer as he had "first blood".

Is this common? How in the world can any hunter claim it's "his/her" deer if they didn't mortally wound the animal?

Guess you can tell which side of the issue I come down on...

Is there a regional trend here? What say you?

,,,I think the nephew was just being nice to his uncle , I don't know what happened as i wasn't there but most times at least here the one who knocks it down tags it .maybe they shared the meat later as they were hunting together, but by law i think the nephew was required to tag it shhhhhh

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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

I'd say it depends on the location of the first shot. If it wasn't a lung or heart shot, I'd say whoever puts it down gets the deer.

But I prefer to hunt where I'm not going to run into any other hunters... Yes

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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

I remember hearing this argument my junior year in highschool at lunch. I have never had the displeasure of having to make such decisions. I wonder if anything like this has ever needed a game officer to make a decision.

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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

Its a bad problem when hunting on Public lands, especially in Pa. I had a similar experiance except my shot came first, hit the buck square in the shoulder with a 200 grain from my .444. It took about a step and a half, was stumbling, then another hunter that I didnt even see (cause he wasnt wearing any orange and was about 120 yards away) cracked off hitting it in the gutt. He comes running up yelling at me to get the "F" away from his deer. I was laughing so hard at him I almost pee'd maself and said," Listen fella, for one I hit this animal at 35 yards with THIS monster (pointing to my .444) in the shoulder as you can see from the wound ( and the bowling ball sized exit wound) I made a mortal shot. You hit it in the gut as you can see (pointing to his lil bitty .243) with a pinhole entrance and exit Laugh ( that oughtta stir up ole Don Laugh ) So he proceeded to inform me that the deer was still "up" when he shot and that it dropped when he shot. I proceeded to inform him that it was already dropping when he shot and that I wasnt very appreciative of him gut shooting my animal making it a total mess inside for me to have to deal with. Now here is the funny part, the idiot started to turn his weapon towards my direction!!! Now Im not bragging or anything, but I'v studied the "arts" since I was 3, spent several years in the Navy with the "teams" and very well trained to defend myself. Needless to say the young boy lost his weapon quite quickly and was nursing a couple of broken ribs and a broken nose before I caught hold of myself.

This is a problem that is actually becoming more evident than most realize. Hell I damn near got into a gunfight over a mangey deer!!! Its simply a matter of respecting other hunters. If you see a shot deer and can see that its mortaly wounded then leave it the hell alone and let the hunter that hit it do as he should and find it. While hunting with friends I've been yelled to after a shot with them saying " LYNN I HIT THE DAMN THING BUT ITS RUNNING, IF YOU SEE IT WHACK IT FOR ME" and if I do I will but unless otherwise instructed Ill leave it be as should any respectful hunter. Its not a matter of "North South rules" Its simply a matter of respecting each other as hunters.

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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

I hope they arrested him in the hospital. What a quack job.

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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

I deffinetly wouldnt wanna in that position with my uncle I would just give it too him just to save some arguing and bickering at the camp over whos deer it. Plus we party hunt when a deers downed, Yea one person shot it but its the whole camps deer atleast thats how we do it. Dont you guys share your deer with your party or family in this case.

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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

I do when I party hunt. As far as sharing I always give away a few deer a year to family and Hunters feeding the hungry program. Had I even known this guy or had he at least shown a semblance of hunters spirit I woulda just said hell take it... Not a biggie. But when someone furs up in my face I do have a slight tendency to fur up as well.. Im old not DEAD!! neener!

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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?
cam69conv wrote:
Its a bad problem when hunting on Public lands, especially in Pa. I had a similar experiance except my shot came first, hit the buck square in the shoulder with a 200 grain from my .444. It took about a step and a half, was stumbling, then another hunter that I didnt even see (cause he wasnt wearing any orange and was about 120 yards away) cracked off hitting it in the gutt. He comes running up yelling at me to get the "F" away from his deer. I was laughing so hard at him I almost pee'd maself and said," Listen fella, for one I hit this animal at 35 yards with THIS monster (pointing to my .444) in the shoulder as you can see from the wound ( and the bowling ball sized exit wound) I made a mortal shot. You hit it in the gut as you can see (pointing to his lil bitty .243) with a pinhole entrance and exit Laugh ( that oughtta stir up ole Don Laugh ) So he proceeded to inform me that the deer was still "up" when he shot and that it dropped when he shot. I proceeded to inform him that it was already dropping when he shot and that I wasnt very appreciative of him gut shooting my animal making it a total mess inside for me to have to deal with. Now here is the funny part, the idiot started to turn his weapon towards my direction!!! Now Im not bragging or anything, but I'v studied the "arts" since I was 3, spent several years in the Navy with the "teams" and very well trained to defend myself. Needless to say the young boy lost his weapon quite quickly and was nursing a couple of broken ribs and a broken nose before I caught hold of myself.

This is a problem that is actually becoming more evident than most realize. Hell I damn near got into a gunfight over a mangey deer!!! Its simply a matter of respecting other hunters. If you see a shot deer and can see that its mortaly wounded then leave it the hell alone and let the hunter that hit it do as he should and find it. While hunting with friends I've been yelled to after a shot with them saying " LYNN I HIT THE DAMN THING BUT ITS RUNNING, IF YOU SEE IT WHACK IT FOR ME" and if I do I will but unless otherwise instructed Ill leave it be as should any respectful hunter. Its not a matter of "North South rules" Its simply a matter of respecting each other as hunters.

....there should have been no contest as yours was first blood and kill shot , the only problem i find with that is at 35 yrds you shot it with a .444, 200 gr slug and hit it square in the shoulder and didn't knock it off it's feet hemmm i would have gone for the head or at least behind the shoulder , also at 120 yds the chap may not have known it was hit if it didn't fall , and you state he started to point his weapon in your direction not actually pointing it at you , i think your lucky he didn't charge you with assault ...besides that i wouldn't have wasted my tag on a deer with a hole like that and being gut shot besides ! hell i would have helped him haul it out

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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

Hehehehe Its all that was poking out from behind an oak and I rarely go for a head shot. As far as the rifle swinging towards my direction there was a lot of things taken into account in that split second. Body posture, aggressive tone already, and several other things that makes training take over. Id rather face assault charges than being shot personaly. LoL deer are tough critters. I shot a nice fat young doe once, Rifle 8mm mauzer, distance 45 yards, Shot placement, animal quartering away perfectly right behind the shoulder, Deer ran behind a tree TOWARDS me and stood there looking around for like 45 seconds. Didint even shake or anything. Hell I thought I missed. Kept the rifle on her, she stepped out BANG another one right behind the shoulder. She ran about 100 yards before dropping. Get to her, first shot took out the top part of the heart, second shot took out the rest. They dont always just drop!!! Not even with a huge caliber. Granted yes most deer fall flat out when I hit them with old Betsy (.444) but not always. And like I said it was on the way down. It wasnt a question of if I wanted it. It was the fact of the guy just being a plain old Butthole about it.

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Whose deer is it? First blood or kill shot?

I agree with cam on this one I probably would have hit him too. Dont point your gun my way or I point left and right yours.

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