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One of the popular stories about the origin of the mule deer is that they are a sub spieces of a White Tail/Black Tail mix. 

 

 Thats what I've always heard, I recently read an article (I'll see if i can find it again) that someone did a study and there not so sure if thats the case anymore. Kind of an interesting read.

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I would have to double check, but I thought Mule Deer were an older species in time, with Whitetail newer to the scene in evolutionary history. I also thought Blacktail were a subspecies of Mule Deer isolated by geography at some point? Now I'm going to have to go research, LOL.

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Unit5A wrote:

I would have to double check, but I thought Mule Deer were an older species in time, with Whitetail newer to the scene in evolutionary history. I also thought Blacktail were a subspecies of Mule Deer isolated by geography at some point? Now I'm going to have to go research, LOL.

 this is what i got from wikipedia.

Taxonomy

The black-tailed deer was once believed to be a subspecies of the North American mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus), however, recent DNA testing has proven this not to be the case. In Valerius Geist's book Mule Deer Country he explains that by testing the mitochondrial DNA of the three species (blacktail, whitetail and mule deer), researchers have now determined that it was the mating of whitetail does and blacktail bucks that gave rise to the mule deer, and not the opposite as was once suspected, therefore not falling under a subspecies of O. hemionus and rather as its own species O. columbianus.[2]

It is now believed that millions of years ago the whitetail deer (Odocoileus virginianus) expanded its range down the east coast of the United States, across Mexico, and then back up the west coast, where it eventually evolved into the blacktail deer. Thousands of years later as the recently evolved blacktail's range spread eastward and the whitetail's range again expanded westward, the two deer species again met. At this point the blacktail bucks, displaced the whitetail bucks, and bred the whitetail does. Researchers now believe that it is this hybridization that produced what is now commonly known as the mule deer.

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Hey thanks! I hadn't gotten around to refreshing up on that yet, and was still on my "to-do" list, LOL. Gotta' love the interenet, ha!

We also have a small species (subspecies?) of Whitetail here down in the southern part of the state, and on into Mexico called Coues Deer. I think they call them 'Ghosts of the Desert' at times? They don't get very big here that I have seen, and to me are fairly tough to hunt, especially in that terrain I've been. They can blow a loud "whistle" sound like nothing I've heard before too. Might have to do a search on DNA about them now to refresh/update my memory...

All interesting stuff... ;-)

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Out of interest, have you noticed if the hybrids "stot" I think the word is for how Mule deer run and/or "hop" out of town, ha ha. Just wondering...

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I read in mag a couple of

I read in mag a couple of years back that the flee responce is one thing that gets messed up and they will  not bolt like a whitetail or stout like a mule deer.

There is a herd in TX down by Pecos that has been studied but most are sterile so the reproduction isnt good, along with the mixed up flee trigger they dont grow the herd.

The last thing that I read about hybrid deer is that most that are suspected are not and the only deffinet way to know is to have dna done.  

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Interesting info, thanks Smitty. I just kind of wondered what they do...

Sometimes I think the Mulies I see in the desert areas here are part Kangaroo, LOL. (African Gazelle is probably more accurate) Their stotting seems a bit more pronounced than I see up in the forests here in the Rim country?

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yea thats how they are over

yea thats how they are over here in southeast NM in the sand, but they can disappear fast.

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yea thats how they are over

Have you ever tried "whistling" at them when they take off? I can't do it, but my buddy can put a couple fingers in his mouth and put out an ear-splitting whistle. A few times we have been out and spooked them up scouting etc. and he has done that and they stopped in their tracks to take a look back. I thought it was kind of interesting... 

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I'm a little bit nervous

I'm a little bit nervous about whitetails moving deeper and deeper into mulie range. They are more aggressive and displace mulies and although I wouldn't mind trying to chase whitetails... I don't wanna give up my big eared deer

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