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http://www.keithwarren.net/stories/091204.htm

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Farmers and ranchers have usually used fences to keep livestock in or out,, depending on what is needed. If someone inports a purebred bull to breed cattle, no one thinks anything of a fence to keep out scrub bulls from the breeding herd. If you bring some big monster deer from Ohio down here to breed bigger antlers into the resident deer, you surely do not want all the scrub bucks interfering or the bred does disappearing onto the neighboring places. That is the problem, you cannot own the deer on your property if they are whitetails or mule deer, but you can if they are axis, fallow, sika, or any non-native deer. I guess we will soon have homeless deer here in Texas as the state does not want them, even though they "own" them. Do we trump property rights for the sake of free migration of whitetails and say no high fences? Do we say high fence everything and who cares about the excluded whitetails? I think the state will have to rethink their "ownership" of whitetails and accepty them as a breedable resource for ranchers trying to stay afloat and make some accomodations in this. I am not in favor of either side as both have arguments in their favor. I do not think we can go back to the good old days.

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Kevin,

Thanks, that was a good post!

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"It is only thought of as no challenge by hunters that have never done it."
Whats the difference if you hunt one of these "enclosures"or go hunt in a state where there is 35 deer per square mile. All you need to do is walk in the woods and wait and eventualy a deer will pass by. I see guys all the time that say they would never hunt in an enclosure but they will sit over a bait pile! I don't know.....I think people should keep thier opinions to themselves more. I prove that theory to myself all the time eye roll

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hunter777,

TN has some areas that has 80 to 100 deer per square mile due to TWRA's mismanagement. In those areas, you can consider yourself lucky if you do not get run over by one of these deer.

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With so many deer , just tell them to come on down to Texas and join all the other illegals here.

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Why are they comlaining about the fences when in the first few sentences it says that deer can jump over them?

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bnow0707,

While deer can jump some of these high fences, they generally don't unless pressured.

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Both sides make a good arguement for their point of view. Do you wnat to keep them in or out. If they are fencing in their property, maybe the state should mandate and monitor the helath of the animals wild or domestic. Because, if you get an area overpopulated with one species (deer), you run the risk of developing and spreading CWD. I know it isn't just limited to deer, but that seems to be the main issue of the article.

I know from past experience, if you are trying to manage your property and trying to improve the quality of the bucks on your land, it is hard if the neighboring property owners do not agree with what you are trying to do. My damily bought some land in WI about 15 yrs ago and it took a good 5-7 yrs before the other property owners started to realize the benifits of managing your deer herd. Now, there are some nice bucks being taken out of the woods by all. They even formed a small hunting club and limiting bucks to 6+ points. If you take anything smaller than that you pay a small penaly per point. Thumbs up

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halvtaz wrote:
My damily bought some land in WI about 15 yrs ago and it took a good 5-7 yrs before the other property owners started to realize the benifits of managing your deer herd. Now, there are some nice bucks being taken out of the woods by all. They even formed a small hunting club and limiting bucks to 6+ points. If you take anything smaller than that you pay a small penaly per point. Thumbs up

This is exactly what i spoke about in the thread "TN Deer Management" This is how landowners and hunter can join together to preserve the hunting heritage for future generations. Thanks for posting a real life example of Quality Deer Management.

I am against high fencing deer, and I would not shoot a deer in a high fence enclosure. NOR WOULD OR DO I SIT OVER BAIT PILES. For one, it is illegal, and I would probably think differently if I had been raised doing so in a state where it is legal. However, I was not. I belive in getting your lazy butt out of your truck, and getting into the brush & the hills and finding deer that can escape from me. I have never seen WT or Mule deer in a high fence environment. I have, however, seen high fence fallow deer & elk hunting, and it bothers me immensly. One of my best friends family raised Fallow Deer and Elk on seperate ranches in eastern montana. These elk would let you walk to within 100 yards of them and blast away. I dont agree that these people should not be able to provide a living for their families however they see fit. People can, and will pay very large sums of money to shoot these animals. You have that opportunity and right. I, however, choose not to harvest animals in that manner, and never will. I hope that in the future, my son & his dont have to either.

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