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I am with ECU on this one...

I am with ECU on this one... the higher quality glass ALLOWS you to make a more informed decision as it relates to whether or not to shoot at an animal.

With a clearer image, particularly in low light situations, it also allows you a HIGHER PROBABILITY of making a good shot - which increases the deer you take and reduces deer suffering from poorly placed shots.

Add the fact that you get some amount of satisfaction in just knowing you have superior glass and it seems to be a win / win situation. I will admit some amount of pride when someone looks at one of my rifles and says something like "nice glass"...

I have long felt that the scope should cost as much as the rifle, or more... I say put the money in the glass... as long as the rifle is capable of shooting well enough to be a keeper (which for me, is being able to shoot a 1" group at 100 yards, or very close to that).

If the rifle can not do that, it is not worth hunting with and therefore not worth any glass!

One argument is made - that this high end glass could create a scenario where someone would be more likely to make a near dark shot and shoot something other than their intended quarry (like another hunter, perhaps).

I argue the opposite... the glass allows to more clearly identify what you are about to shoot at - at least in my opinion.

I think that hunters that are predisposed to take shots that are dangerous are going to do so regardless of the equipment they have.

My .02 worth!

Jim

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Another .02 cents worth...I

Another .02 cents worth...I have found the tracking more reliable and accurate on the higher end scopes. The point of impact moves exactly with adjustments made in elevation and windage. If you take the time shoot at various distances and figure out the needed elevation adjustments, then when you're presented with a long range shot opportunity...it will be as easy as dialing the correct adjustment on the elevation knob and squeezing the trigger.
I have found cheaper models don't track that accurately and then return to zero.

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Man, we are on a roll... and

Man, we are on a roll... and are up to a dime or .12 now!

I expect a run on high end glass in the next day or so - or at least some requests will land on some hunters "Christmas Wish List"!

In all seriousness, it is worth the investment... I do not think that high end glass costs... I think it pays.

If you consider in total all we spend on hunting annually and then figure in the cost of good glass vs even cheap glass, the percentage of total spent is very low - and you have definitely done something (with good glass) to increase your likelihood of a harvest.

I have taken many deer that the glass was the primary reason I was able to do so.

Just one more facet, in an overall personal strategy, to consider... and to use as a means to become a more successful hunter.

Jim

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You guys have definitely

You guys have definitely exposed the reasons for getting high quality glass. I look at all of my hunting purchases as investments rather than one time purchases. If you spread the cost of the gear that you own over the years that it lasts and that you use it, than it becomes clear that it is worth putting high quality optics on your rifles. Am I a hypocrite because I do not even own one leopold yet... I don't think so entirely I guess. I am on a college student budget and I have bought the highest quality optics that I could at the time for every single one of my rifles except for my .223 which came with a budget price scope that I will be replacing here shortly. God willing, when I land a career job, you can bet that all my rifles will be visiting the barber shop and getting some new head gear. I can not wait to purchase my first leopold. Or what the heck... my first Zeiss!

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Definitely not a hypocrite. 

Definitely not a hypocrite.  You have purchased the best equipment that you can.  Not directed at you, just a general observation.  Not everyone can afford a Leuopold or Zeiss scope or a semi-custom or custom rifle.  They may have a low end Remington and a Tasco scope, but that doesn't define them as a hunter.  I've seen people with "cheap" stuff out shoot and out hunt those with expensive equipment.  And the fact is I'd rather hunt with them too.

So, buy the best that you can afford and don't look back.

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"Definitely not a hypocrite. 

"Definitely not a hypocrite.  You have purchased the best equipment that you can.  Not directed at you, just a general observation.  Not everyone can afford a Leuopold or Zeiss scope or a semi-custom or custom rifle.  They may have a low end Remington and a Tasco scope, but that doesn't define them as a hunter.  I've seen people with "cheap" stuff out shoot and out hunt those with expensive equipment.  And the fact is I'd rather hunt with them too.

So, buy the best that you can afford and don't look back."

Yea, +1 what CVC said about buying the best you can afford. I've had many less expensive scopes in my day. At the time, that was all I could afford. I killed deer with them but I remember missing deer with some of these scopes for one reason or another. The biggest problem I had withthem was they would get knocked out of alignment real easy. Maybe it was me.
I take offense you wouldn't want to hunt with me because of the scope I own. Hahaha. I understand what you mean.

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I couldn't tell you the

I couldn't tell you the number of times that I have gone out with somebody that has just bought a new rifle and scope package from a store and wants me to help them sight the rifle in because they are having problems with it.  And 90% of the time it is the brand new Tasco, Simmons, or another brand of low cost scope that is causing the problem.  I have even seen the cross hairs in a few Tasco scopes swinging back and forth after a couple of shots out of a 7mm Remington magnum. 

So in my book if you have to save for a couple of years to buy a quality rifle why not save a couple months more and get a quality scope to put on that rifle. 

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No hypocrites here, at all.

No hypocrites here, at all.

I agree with all of your comments (and that is not always something I do)...

Let's talk about lower end glass for a second - we all had it - heck I even had my first scope that used to fog up, I would open it up, clean it out, put it back together and keep hunting.

That did not last long but it did happen.

I have a saying that I use from time to time: the slain soldier cares not the caliber of the round...

The same would be true for a deer - he does not care if he was scoped with a Simmons or a Swarovski!

For high end glass - of course it performs better - of that fact there would be little debate.

Here is another fact - a lethal hunter would take more game with a $400 rifle and scope combination than a poor hunter would with a $10,000 rifle and scope combination.

We define the use of our equipment - our equipment does not define us.

Jim

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Man, the Holiday season must

Man, the Holiday season must be approaching as we are all in a good mood and agreeing with one another.  What kind of site is there, no bickering, not fighting, not petty squabbles?  Hey I like it!

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cyber brawl

CVC wrote:

Man, the Holiday season must be approaching as we are all in a good mood and agreeing with one another.  What kind of site is there, no bickering, not fighting, not petty squabbles?  Hey I like it!

That is one of the reason I keep coming back to this site...courteous people that will sometimes disagree about a subject but won't be mean in their response...not like some of the other sites where it seems some people visit them just to start a "cyber" brawl.

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