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Good rebates

From time to time you do see Zeiss offer pretty good rebates on their 3-9x40.  I think Zeiss makes very clear and bright optics, but I wonder about their durability or their service when compared to Leupold, Swarofski, or others.  It's because of the very unhelpful service I recieved in dealing with Zeiss customer service. 

My Zeiss binos fell off the bench while I was target shooting one day a while back and they were fine, but out of curiosity I called Zeiss to ask them what type of shock-proofness is build into their binos.  I mean I could not find a thing on their website about their binos being shock-proof, any good brand should at least comply with a drop test rating in numbers of feet.  All they would tell me is that they are not indestructable and if I'd like to send them in for evaluation I could do that at my expense.  Pay shipping and a service fee for them to look them over??  I don't think so! No matter how simply I explained to them that I'm looking for a simple answer to a simple question, they would not give me an answer.  All they continued to say is that the binos are not indestructable, to which I kept replying that I understood that, but that's not what I was asking them.  They even had one of their technical engineers call me back to no use, all he did what repeat what the reps had been telling - they're not indestructable.  Yeah I get it!  It's as if they thought I was going to try and make a warranty claim on something that was my fault and they were doing whatever they could to cover their butts so they wouldn't have to cover anything for me free of charge.  I wasn't asking for anything except a simple answer to a simple question.  I made it very clear to them that I was not seeking a warranty claim, just simply looking for drop-test info or shock-resistance information about their product.  I had no intention of sending those binos in and they are fine to this day. 

These are the only Zeiss optics I own and are pretty good glasses, but I don't think I'll ever spend my money on a Zeiss product again.  It was very clear to me from dealing with them that once they have your money they'd rather not help you with anything, let alone have your back in the event that something should really happen. It's obvious to me by the way they handled my simple question that if I really ever needed to make a legitimate warranty claim due to defect they'd probably do what they could to get out of having to uphold their end of the lifetime warranty. 

I have never had to use Leupolds warranty, but I have called their customer service a number of times with various questions and have always been greeted with a friendly and very knowledgable customer service rep on the phone who will answer all my questions thoroughly.  Leupold seems to be a damn good solid company who actually still cares about their customers long after you have given them your money.

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you say tomato i say

you say tomato i say tomato..lol

i love zeiss glass. i can see through it better than any other product...and i really dislike leupold.

zeiss conquest 3x9

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so in the Leupold line which

so in the Leupold line which models do you like? I've been using Bushnell forever and love the bang for the buck the 3200 series gives. But I always like to keep my options open. especially since the 270 I picked up doesn't have the best of optics.

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I have the Vx3 I believe with

I have the Vx3 I believe with the Boone and Crockett reticle.  I have it on my .270 and zero it for 200 and it has holdover points out to 500.  I shoot 300 at the range and it is right on and the fartherst shot I've taken with it was 350 and I used the 300 and 400 points to make the shot.  I reccomend it.

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No one makes glass like the

No one makes glass like the Europeans... is this that simple.

The 3-9x40 Conquest has been for years the best $400 scope on the market. The images are startlingly crystal clear and the low light capabilities are simply great.

I have a lot of confidence in stating that you will not be disappointed if you buy one.

Now... having said that - I think the prices for the new Meopta Meopro line of scopes start at $450 or so for the smallest one - I think it is a 3-10x42 or something along this line and while I have not looked through one yet, I am going to go out on a limb and say that this scope will be a VERY VIABLE contender for the best scope available - now in the less than $500 range.

I have several Meopta products and they are off of the chart good.

I use the more expensive Meostar line - when I bought the Meopro's were not out yet - but I need a shotgun scope and in the spring will be looking very hard at the newer Meopta line.

I know the Zeiss has been well talked about - before you buy, research and look at the Meopro.

I do think disappointment will be found here, either!!!

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I think the good thing about

I think the good thing about scopes today is if you stay with the top manufacturers you will likely be please with your selection regardless of which one you select.  There are differences, but the quality is top notch for most of them today.

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Top manufacturers

CVC wrote:

I think the good thing about scopes today is if you stay with the top manufacturers you will likely be please with your selection regardless of which one you select.  There are differences, but the quality is top notch for most of them today.


I agre to stick with one of the top manufacturers. I currently own 2 Burris, Leupold, Nightforce and a Simmons Aetec. I like all those scopes and wouldn't trade any of them including the Aetec.
I've never owned a Zeiss scope but I've had the pleasure of looking thru one. A Zeiss scope would be the next scope I would buy. I've been looking at the 4.5x14x50 for a while, just don't have the money to spend currently.
Good luck in your search.

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Let me pose a question which

Let me pose a question which may stir some controversy, but isn't my intent, just a thought that popped in my head.  I understand that some may need high quality and expensive binos if they do lots of glassing, but does anyone really need a top of the line german scope?  I realize that need is relative, but for hunting purposes won't the slightly lower quality and much less scopes suffice?

Is there a point of diminishing return when you move up to the highest price scope?

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"I understand that some may

"I understand that some may need high quality and expensive binos if they do lots of glassing, but does anyone really need a top of the line german scope?  I realize that need is relative, but for hunting purposes won't the slightly lower quality and much less scopes suffice?

Is there a point of diminishing return when you move up to the highest price scope?"

I would say no, for me and my hunting circumstances. The reason being is the added light gathering and image quality you get out of these scopes. I mainly deer hunt in NC. These deer are pressured before the season starts in September until the season ends in January.

The dog hunters start training their dogs in August and this "wakes up" the deer from their 7 month slumber party. They get attuned to the hunters checking their stand, putting new stands up and planting food plots. They feel the pressure coming and start coming to the fields later and later.

The higher quality glass to aids in my ability to manage bucks. What I mean is, I can look across 300 acres to a deer during the last several minutes of shooting light to judge whether he is a shooter or not.  Also, I need to be able to see that "doe" I'm getting ready to shoot to make sure it isn't a button buck.

I have found out which scopes perform the best during low light by going to the gun shop at dusk and comparing the sopes, side by side. And there is a difference in the clarity and light gathering ability. How they perform is crucial to how I manage the deer I hunt.

But not everyone will hunt like I do. I could fill my tags and have enough venison for the freezer during the first week of rifle season every year. I'm not bragging. It's just the fact that we have a ton of deer. I try to shoot mature 3 year old or better deer, bucks and does. I usually shoot one buck to mount and several cull bucks. Those deer along with 3 or 4 does will do me for the year.

Now, will someone who stalks an elk or mule deer in the mts of Co need the top end european glass? I doubt it.  Most aren't going to pass on a legal animal, mistake I made last year.

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I will say one thing about

I will say one thing about the higher quality scopes weather they are american made or made else where.  When the light is going fast you will enjoy the higher end scopes.  I lent my .340 Weatherby that is packing a Leupold VXIII 3.5-10x40 on it and he couldn't believe how clear the scope was compared to his binocoluars.  His exact words before he pulled the trigger on a 6x6 bull elk at 600 yards were "I can see better with the scope than I can with my binocoluars" a couple of seconds later the bull was on the ground. 

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