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Hey Bama, when you get the feed jamb's, where is the bolt face in relation to the case rim? Almost sounds like your short cycling and rubbing the case just enough to get it out of the magazine but behind the bolt face.

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Don Fischer wrote:
Hey Bama, when you get the feed jamb's, where is the bolt face in relation to the case rim? Almost sounds like your short cycling and rubbing the case just enough to get it out of the magazine but behind the bolt face.

Hi Don,
Haven't had too much trouble lately with jambs. When they say long action on a Savage, they mean long action! The jamming only occurs when I try to load a zoom really fast with no tension on the bolt. It never happens after releasing the trigger and then cycling. I guess the tension slows things down just enough to prevent jamming. If times were better and ammo cheaper, I would have went with a 300wsm. Maybe later I'll get one if we're all still here and I'll give the -06 to one of my sons!

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Bama76 wrote:
Again, thanks for the info. I lean towards the 30-30 for a particular type of hunting which back home we called stillhunting. (Creeping slowly, almost like an archery hunter would and relying on chance and listening. Can't beat a levergun for fast action shooting) These shots might be up close and personal. I posted stillhunting as a topic in the black bear forum, but didn't get many responses. I like the idea of using the 30-06 for a calling scenario where a bear might hang out to 250yds. Here's a question for BTKR. You say that you use a 270win, have you ever had to trail one for a ways? Reason I ask is because I like the 165grains in my 06, but if 180grains will put him to sleep faster, than thats what I will go with, especially since I will be hunting alone sometimes. Merry X-Mas everyone!!

I would suggest the 180's in .06.

Most of my hunting has been done with a .270 and in nearly 30 years of hunting I have lost 2 bears. In hindsight they were due to a poor shot and one to poor tracking in the thick coastal jungle. I have killed 16 bears with a .270 (my wife and my brother have also killed bears with my .270) and only a couple have been shot twice and none needed the second shot. I just didn't want them falling down hill any farther then needed. I don't think any have gone farther then 50 yards. The bears have been between 20 yards and 400 yards.

Shot placement is key.

I have seen more trailing jobs and loses on the bigger guns (300, 338, super mag, etc) probably due to poor shot placemnet or the hunter being afraid more then anything.

If you can shoot your .06 well enough +/- 1 inch at 200 yards and you don't get nervous around black bears you will be fine.

Bears don't really bother me, but cougars do (The four legged variety Big smile ) If I may ask, how come the 180's over 165's. Doesn't the 270 shoot fairly light bullets. Just wondering, I'm not an overly educated gun geezer yet! Wouldn't the 165's shoot a little flatter?

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If you are going to use an .06 you may as well make the most of it. 180 grn usually shoot well out of most .06 and they have plenty of knockdown power.

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billythekidrock wrote:
If you are going to use an .06 you may as well make the most of it. 180 grn usually shoot well out of most .06 and they have plenty of knockdown power.

Nice! I'll have to sight-in using 180's. I think I read somewhere that you use Powerpoints with good results. I like Winchester ammo too. What do you think?

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Bama76 wrote:
billythekidrock wrote:
If you are going to use an .06 you may as well make the most of it. 180 grn usually shoot well out of most .06 and they have plenty of knockdown power.

Nice! I'll have to sight-in using 180's. I think I read somewhere that you use Powerpoints with good results. I like Winchester ammo too. What do you think?

I like the Power Points only because my rilfe shoots them well. lol
Shoot what your rifle likes, aim small and you will do well.

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06 sounds good. Good all around hunting rifle.

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a 30-06 with 180 grain will be all the power you need. and there is no reason your 30-30 would not do the job on a bear. best of luck to you Thumbs up

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308 with premium 165-grain bullets (Nosler Partitions) are more than enough.

Second option: 54 cal. black powder if you want to be a man Evil!

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Any of the three would work just fine.
I would pick the
45-70 first
30-30 second
30-06 third

Stay away from thin jacketed bullets at 100 yds.. A partition, hot core or bonded core would be a bit more reliable for deeper penetration.
But of course use the bullet that shoots best at 100yds. If that's the range you expect to shoot.

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