I haven't hunted blacktails in years. But there is no contest as to which is harder, blacktails by a long shot. I hunted whitetails in Montana also. Much easier than hunting blacktails.
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Mon, 2012-04-16 08:52#11
I haven't hunted blacktails
Mon, 2012-04-16 09:29#12
Have you tried trophy muley
Have you tried trophy muley bucks in Colorado Don?
Tue, 2012-04-17 10:51#13
Have you ever hunted a columbian blacktail in the pacific NW where the visiblity is about 10 feet? You can be 5 feet from a buck and not know it because you can't see it. I have hunted both and by far blacktails are the hardest deer in North America to hunt.
Tue, 2012-04-17 12:03#14
The question was to
The question was to Don.
Since you asked. No, I haven't, but i've still hunted dark timber for mule deer all my life. I've never met the mule deer that would let me get within 5 ft.
Tue, 2012-04-17 13:29#15
I'm not trying to start a
I'm not trying to start a pissing match but this question should be answered by hunters who have actually hunted both types of deer. CO isn't the only state with mule deer or dark timber or mountains. I have also still hunted mulies in the dark timber and also blacktails in the thick jungles where they live. The reason you can get so close to a blacktail is because their first instinct isn't to run it's to hold still. I've almost walked right into deer before. I'm not joking when I say you can be 5 feet from them and won't even know they are there. The habitat where blacktails live is some of the thickest, nastiest stuff you will get yourself into.
I have seen your posts and know your a sucessfull still hunter and I'm not doughting your skills one bit. I just hear a lot of CO hunters say hunting deer in CO is the hardest hunt out there and I would have to strongly disagree with that statement when they haven't tried hunting blacktails. Mostof if not all of the so called "hunting pro's" that have hunted both types will agree the blacktail is the toughest deer to hunt in North America.
Tue, 2012-04-17 14:09#16
I don't want to argue either.
I don't want to argue either. I just want to get all the facts on the table. You may be right about the blacktail being harder. You asked me if I had hunted blacktail in the NW, and I haven't. I have hunted them in Calif. I was born in Mass and hunted whitetail there. Then my parents moved to Calif when I was 16. I've hunted Calif the most, but my dad and I did take about 20 trips to Colorado to hunt elk. A few years after my dad passed away I moved to Colorado. I tell you this so you won't think i've only hunted in Colorado.
When I asked about hunting trophy bucks in Colorado. It's completely different from the way I hunt. The mature bucks are above treeline and very smart. I've read it many times that it's the hardest animal to hunt in the US. I'm not sure how true that is, but the times I went on a trophy hunt with my buddies to help out. I found it very difficult. If you weren't into taking long shots. Your chance of success were slim. Not my kind of hunting, but it was fun anyway. Even if it did wear me out.
My style as you know is in the timber. I don't care about trophy's. I'm a meat hunter. So, I hunt for younger bucks and does. I would love to hunt your state. The thicker terrain the better for me. Some think Colorado is all open country. No so. We have some pretty dense timber. Most won't hunt it here. Which is fine with me. I love the fact the blacktail will hunker down and hide. Mule deer will too to a point. They'll wait only so long, get nervous and bolt. That's when all my practice with running shots pays off. Trying to find a blacktail that stays hidden would be the ultimate for me. You guys are lucky to get to hunt such a cagey animal.
Maybe I moved to the wrong state.
Tue, 2012-04-17 16:08#17
Blacktails I'd say
Blacktails are a little harder normally i'd say. We have a lot of them here in BC. But it also FEELS harder to a lot of hunters who're used to mulies because the tactics are different, and they try what's always worked with mulies and get no joy.
And of course - the exception is during the rutt. They get a little easier then
I'll tell you this - if it's a cloudy, misty, drizzly afternoon, grab your gun because safe bet they're up and moving. 3 pm seems like a real 'witching hour' for them during those kinds of days. They get up and move.
The one problem with blacktails I've found is they don't 'pattern' easily. They don't always visit the same areas regularly, and just because you found they were in one place today doesn't mean they'll use that same sleeping area or path tomorrow. But they won't be far.
Wed, 2012-04-18 08:37#18
Trophy bucks are hard to hunt
Trophy bucks are hard to hunt usually no matter where they are found or the breed. But any deer campared to a blacktail for hunting is no contest, blacktails win. If you haven't seen the cover they live in, you can't imagine it. If you'd really like to understand the difference, try getting a trophy blacktail buck!
Wed, 2012-04-18 08:42#19
I'd love to see some pictures
I'd love to see some pictures of the terrain you're talking about.
Wed, 2012-04-18 11:04#20
Well, I just can't keep my mouth shut much longer. Ya see, I have the privelege of huntin either or both of those species. I live in the VERY far northwest corner of the continental US..... can literally see Canada out my window and the Strait of Georgia at the same time. One mile from Canada; less to the ocean.
I hunt muleys the most when I cross the Cascade Mountains and hunt the wide open sage land of central Washington. But, when I have some time, I hunt the blacktail of my back yard. Well, I choose not to shoot the ones eating my roses, but I do hunt close to home. I have a thirty acre chunk of land, owned by a friend that I can hunt. I don't know that I could be within 5 yards and not see a deer, but pretty close. The only reason I say that is because I haven't seen one at five yards.... but they very well may have been there and I didn't see them. This is some pretty dense vegetation around here. To still-hunt them in the woods would be nearly impossible.... too much vegetation to see more than ten feet. You pick an opening and sit in a tree or still-hunt along old logging roads and clearcuts. Some tough huntin, ta say the least.
But, with that said, I have found it pretty easy to fill a blacktail tag. I've taken them with archery from a tree. I've taken them with rifle in clearcuts. The one thing I've noticed here where I live, is that they are used to people and are not all that excited when they see you. Where I live is certainly not densly populated, but there are small farms and home developments everywhere. The deer are used to eating in people's back yards and seeing people. This past fall, I took my son-in-law five miles out of town to a big clearcut. When we spotted the buck he was at 90 yards, standing in the clearning. I set up shooting sticks, pointed the deer out to him and waited as he set up over the sticks. He shot the buck at 93 yards. Does that tell you anything?
At the last count that I know of, there were 8 bucks taken off that clearcut this season. And that is HARD to believe. The main concern is that when you step on that land, you can expect some border patrol to come find out why you are there. I called them every time we went out and let them know when we left. I talked to an officer this past week and he said they confiscate more drugs in and around that clearcut than any other area. He said they had made two huge busts just last week. The entire clearcut is filled with motion detectors.
OK, which is easier to hunt; the muley or blacktail? I'd have to say it is probably the blacktail, especially if you're hunting the public lands that are so full of vegetation.