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Which caliber is the most over rated.

since you put the bait out. I'll bite. I say the 270 is overrated. Now I think the 270 is a very good round. I just think that it has been over hyped into something that it is not over the years. There are several cartridges out there that are better than it in my opinion. for example the 30-06, 280 rem, 264 win mag. Yet, the die hard 270 enthusiast will argue until they are blue in the face about how "flat shooting" the 270 is, and how it can take anything in the lower 48 etc. I just think that it is overrated.

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Which caliber is the most over rated.

I agree with you, Shatodavis, I think there is some BS regarding the 270. For one thing, I hate it when people say a 270 shoots much flatter than a 30-06. It doesn't. It shoots a little flatter, but in the practical world of big game hunting, the difference is insignificant.

A 30-06 delivers more downrange energy than a 270. It has a larger selection of bullets, and can shoot heavier bullets while still retaining favorable ballistics. I do believe a 270 is a suitable elk cartridge, it is fully capable when using proper bullet selection, but I believe it tops out with elk. It probably has been used to take moose and big bears, but I don't feel the 270 is a sensible choice for game that size.

I think an example of a sorely underrated cartridge is the 280 Remington. It hits a bit harder than a 270 and gives great overall performance. It is also a suitable elk cartridge, given proper bullet selection. Unfortunately, it doesn't reach far enough beyond the 270's performance to make much of a difference.

The 7mm-08 Remington is another one I'd like to see more of. It doesn't generate quite as much punch as a 270, but it's close enough. Put it in a rifle with a 22 or 24 inch barrel and a reasonable weight to give it the right balance and you have a rifle which not only offers excellent ballistics, but minimal recoil. And yes, you can also use a 7mm-08 on elk!

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Which caliber is the most over rated.

Anything ending in Ultra mag, Short mag or Weatherby. Add to that a lot of the plain old magnums.

Until someone comes up with something really revolutionary that deserves all the millions of advertising dollars spent to entice us to part with our savings on a new rifle that only really duplicates a proven cartridge is superfluous. Let's face it, the prices we have to pay now are in part the advertising costs of the new whizbangs that aren't really any different than a well loaded cartridge in a normal everyday caliber.

Sure, someone will say that two inches less drop at 500 yards is a big deal. When you consider that 95% of all shooters have no business shooting at anything over 300 yards then two inches at 500 yards means nothing.

The ballistics published in overheated gun writer's prose is for the manufacturers and the labs benefit, not the shooting public. The word Baloney ring a bell here?

Real world calibers for real people doing real world shooting are the basics. Look at the top five selling calibers and the top 5 selling reloading dies. That will tell you what the real world uses.
So yes, even my 416 Ribgy is overrated. But I still really really like it a lot.

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Which caliber is the most over rated.

Magnum is becoming an over used word in cartridge nomenclature.
I like the new wsm's but, I don't feel they are a magnum. I guess those short 300wsm's could be considered 308win mag but, that would be the extent of it.
There isn't any need for any of those small and medium caliber, large capacity, powder burners in the hunting field. They do give someone that can't shoot an opportunity for more excuses. After all, 500yds. is a long, long shot.

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Which caliber is the most over rated.

The .243 win.might be a red hot seller down south but to tell you the truth i never see that ultimate deer killing caliber here.There's lots of 30-06,270,308 and 7mm mag's but hardly any .243's ????? what's the reason.If they are as some of you claim to be all you need where are they ??They are however a good coyote rifle (given proper bullets ).Fire away boys.

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Which caliber is the most over rated.

243 and 80gr Remington core lok have dropped many a Blacktail.
It was also used as a learning round for small people. Great for coyotes,
Antelope or anything up to 200 lbs, out to 250 yds.
We will probably see fewer of the 243 with the development of the 260 and the 7-08. I'm surprised that there aren't more of the 260's being produced. Excellent round.
So,we're back to. If it isn't one of the top 4 sellers. It overrated. Interesting.
After many years of shooting and hunting. I've settled on four rounds for myself, for all of my hunting. A little light weight bolt in 308. A little light weight bolt in 300 wsm. A standard sized synthetic bolt in 30-06 and a long barreled bolt in 270 wsm.
Over the years I've had several of the belted mags and I can't see the necessity of these rounds.
I have never found a round that will extend the range enough to justify saying that it shoots farther. Father than what? Farther than I need to be shooting?
The bullet selection in 30 cal is very extensive. My toughest choice is selecting the proper bullet for the task at hand.
A step up from 30 cal would start at 375 H&H. Any thing in between would be just another rifle and anything smaller than the 270 wsm, with the exception of the 260 rem or 264 wm, would not beat the wind as well.

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Which caliber is the most over rated.

Personally, I don't like light, short rifles, especially in a round like the 7mm-08 and 308. I have a model Seven Stainless in 7mm-08 and it is obnoxious. A 308 in the same rifle would be even worse. Both, in my opinion, are better suited to a rifle with a 22-24 inch barrel, and should weigh about 8 lbs. Since I carry a 35 lb chainsaw around all day when I'm working and haul wood including 8X12 posts 6 days a week, an 8, 8-1/2, or 9 lb rifle is no big deal.

Like I said before, a 243 Winchester is an ideal deer round out to 300 yards. Sorry, Deathwind, but that is a proven fact. A 270, 30-06, or 7mm Remington Magnum are better choices for long range shooting. And of course, the 7mm Remington Magnum is a better all-around catridge than the 270 or 30-06, seeing as it shoots faster and flatter than the former and hits harder than the latter. But the fact is at the ranges that most deer are taken, a 7mm magnum is not necessary. I carry one only in areas where the shots will be long and that extra margin of speed, flat trajectory, and energy are slightly more practical. But I do not consider it an ideal deer cartridge.

In actuality, the most sensible deer cartridges I can think of would be the 243 and 6mm, the 25-06, the 260 Remington, the 270 Winchester, 7mm-08, and 280 Remington. In bolt-action rifles, these are perfect for open country situations. In closed cover, a 30-30 or similar cartridge in a lever-action gun is most practical. If anything is overrated, it is the overkill cartridges. The popular excuse, especially by young, inexperienced hunters buying overkill rounds is like this: ''when I make the shot, I want to KNOW that it'll do the job.'' Well, if you don't know you can do the job with a 308 or 30-06, for example, then you really don't know at all.

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Which caliber is the most over rated.

243 is an ideal deer round at 300yrds?What do you consider ideal?it will kill a deer at 300 yards but i would never even consider calling it even a good round at 300 yards for anything larger than a coyote.

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Which caliber is the most over rated.

I know all about it's claim as a varmint / deer class caliber but i'am not kidding when i say i know of one guy who hunts deer with the .243 .He's a very elderly gent ( 75 ) who still hunts off a deer trail behind his farm buildings and yes he gets his deer doe or buck everyyear.I do agree the mag's are probably not needed which is why i don't use my .338 and instead use my .270 or.308.

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Which caliber is the most over rated.

NONYA, we've talked about this before. Pay more attention to the post you are responding to. I said it is an ideal deer cartridge out to 300 yards. I did not say it is ideal for hunting deer at 300 yards. With a 100 grain bullet, it retains enough energy to cleanly dispatch a deer at 300 yards.

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