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which action for white tail deer?

Im 18 and im just getting into hunting and was wondering what type of acton to get i can't decide between a bolt pump or autoloader if you guys can help me out and list some advantages and disadvanages it will be apreciated

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Bolt is most dependable,pump,lever, semi-auto in that order
Bolt actions are inherently more accurate
Bolt actions are easier to clean
I would not recomend a semi auto to a first time hunter for this reason. When you fire a shot, a scond shot is automatically chambered and ready to fire, you probably know this> But withe the excitement of firingat that tophy buck, it is not totally inconceivable to temporarilty forget that SAFETY.
I seen this happen with hunter that I thought knew better and they no longer hunt with me.
ps. Semi autos are also a bitch to properly clean and I repaired more of them in my day then I wish to count.............Good luck with your new BOLt, PUMP or LEVER

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Help us out by location what terain your going to hunt bush open land combo,etc.My self when in open country stick to the bolt action when in cover prefer the semi or lever or pump as long as they have clips.Clip thing is more for the laws in our area everytime you aproach a road you have to unload and with out the clip it becomes a pain in the butt! For a first rifle I would probably recomend a bolt action in most likely 30-06.Learn to make that first shot count and learn when to take it.
Good luck! you picked a good place to pick brains lots of knowlegable hunters on this site.

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[quote="Hammer1 I would not recomend a semi auto to a first time hunter for this reason. When you fire a shot, a scond shot is automatically chambered and ready to fire, you probably know this> But withe the excitement of firingat that tophy buck, it is not totally inconceivable to temporarilty forget that SAFETY.
I seen this happen with hunter that I thought knew better and they no longer hunt with me.
ps. Semi autos are also a bitch to properly clean and I repaired more of them in my day then I wish to count.............Good luck with your new BOLt, PUMP or LEVER

LOL GLAD YOU SAID IT!

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which action for white tail deer?

I guess everyone's pretty much covered this already...

Bolt: biggest advantage is accuracy if long range shooting is expected. Also it's the simplest of the three meaning least likely to break down and easier/cheaper to fix when it does. Its also the cheapest and most common.

Autoloader (semi-auto). Biggest advantage is that it provides the quickest follow up shot. Another plus is that it will have the least recoil if you opt for a heavier calibre. Disadvantages are it's the most mecanically complex action meaning: a - it's more expensive; and b - more prone to jamming/break downs (although modern semi's are much more reliable to the point where this factor is becoming more of a theoretical issue than a practical one). Also depending on where you are (esp. if from Canada) it may be subject to additional regulations (in Canada no more than 5 rds: 4 in the mag+1 in the chamber)

Pump (or lever)- compromise between the above 2.

Personally - I'd go with the bolt or lever. I hate pumps (just a personal preference - or non-preference in this case).

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which action for white tail deer?

i hunt up in northern PA on is mountainous and the other is half woods and corn fields hope that help but thanks for the replys

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If you hunt in Pa the semi auto is out. No semi auto allowed in Pa for hunting period. I prefer a pump action in the 30-06 myself because of the potential to hunt big bears in Pa.

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hunter777 wrote:
. I prefer a pump action in the 30-06 myself because of the potential to hunt big bears in Pa.

A pump action is a good gun to learn on you will have the ability to stay focused on your game after the first shot while pumping the second round up.
This is important.When I was young my dad taught us to shoot ducks with the pump before letting us use the semi autos.IT helps you to aim properly with out hurrying your shots. Bolts and leavers are harder to master this with and take lots of practice.

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I have'em all!

With most shots well under a hundred yards, the accuracy advantage of the bolt action is seldom utilized although there are many places in farming country scattered throughout NY and PA where long shots are relatively common.

One thing I try to drill into new woods hunters is that you must learn to shoot and operate your rifle off either shoulder. If you're on stand and a buck is approaching from your right side, shooting from the left shoulder minimizes movement. Thus, I tend to lean toward actions that can be operated in an ambidextrous manner. But, I love my Model 7. If I should take a left handed shot and a follow-up is necessary, I'll switch to the right side to work the bolt and fire a second time.

And yes, semi-autos are verboten in PA. In NY, I often hear strings of shots during deer season that are so rapid that it's obvious the undisciplined "hunter" is relying on firepower rather than accuracy.

If you hired and paid me to teach you how to be a good and effective hunter, I'd take you out with a single-shot rifle, be it a Ruger or a Thompson-Center. In my nearly 50 years of woods hunting, the time-honored Marlin 336 in .35 Remington caliber would have been perfectly adequate for about 98% of the shots I witnessed. Two other greats if you like levers are the Winchester 88 (if you can find one) or the Browning BLR, a lever gun nearly as accurate as a bolt action. My experience with Savage 99s is that they tend to be inaccurate and they're not up to that occasional 250-300 yard shot.

If you're planning to hunt from an elevated tree-stand, I would lean toward the lever or pump action rifle. particularly if you follow my advice and learn to shoot off both shoulders.

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sawman wrote:
Help us out by location what terain your going to hunt bush open land combo,etc.My self when in open country stick to the bolt action when in cover prefer the semi or lever or pump as long as they have clips.Clip thing is more for the laws in our area everytime you aproach a road you have to unload and with out the clip it becomes a pain in the butt! For a first rifle I would probably recomend a bolt action in most likely 30-06.Learn to make that first shot count and learn when to take it.
Good luck! you picked a good place to pick brains lots of knowlegable hunters on this site.

I didn't pick this to pick, or disagree, and the last don't want a FIGHT. But this being the first incorrect reply, is the reason for the quote.

Now with that said if you pick a rifle, stick with it, practice, pratice, pratice, and you will find that if will cover everything listed above reply's, and do you the best a far as being fast, accurate, and sure of the shot before taking it. I have a picture of a couple of doe I took a few years ago (N.Y. animals) , and I use a Rugerm77,30.06, 150 grain sftcore lckt, with a 3X9X40 scope, and the rifle is RH bolt, and I am a LH shooter. Now if you were to ask anybody pratice, know the rifle, be comfortable with it, and there will be no need for a second shot, or follow up, unless you run into the sitution that is picture( I hope it comes through). Look close there is two, the first is quatered away, the second was the second shot, through the white of the thraot. 8)

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which action for white tail deer?

I didn't pick this to pick, or disagree, and the last don't want a FIGHT. But this being the first incorrect reply, is the reason for the quote.

Now with that said if you pick a rifle, stick with it, practice, pratice, pratice, and you will find that if will cover everything listed above reply's, and do you the best a far as being fast, accurate, and sure of the shot before taking it. I have a picture of a couple of doe I took a few years ago (N.Y. animals) , and I use a Rugerm77,30.06, 150 grain sftcore lckt, with a 3X9X40 scope, and the rifle is RH bolt, and I am a LH shooter. Now if you were to ask anybody pratice, know the rifle, be comfortable with it, and there will be no need for a second shot, or follow up, unless you run into the sitution that is picture( I hope it comes through). Look close there is two, the first is quatered away, the second was the second shot, through the white of the thraot. 8)

You have a strange way of picking a fight.All you did was confirm what I said?I have shot a few doubles myself the best was a 12&10 point almost thesame as you 2 shots first at 100yards running through the hardwoods second at 30 yards stuck its head up to see what was going on. And then again I missed deer that I should never have missed. And if you can;t quit bragging long enough to admit that you also have missed then you haven't hunted nearly as much as you let on.

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