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Where are the instinctive shooters?

I'm trying to draw the interest of traditional shooters to the forum.
In the near future we will be spitting the archery forum to include traditional/instinctive as a separate discussion.
Any input will, no doubt, be transferred from this board to the the traditional board.
I'm looking forward to reading some of the discussions.

The Bear Super Kodiak. 2117's with 5" rt helical and Magnus Stinger 100's w/bleeder is going out with me on the late deer hunt this season.
It's a nice looking bow with it's snake skin backing and about as quite as I have ever heard. Cat whiskers on the string and mini sims vibration dampeners on the supports of the leather hood quiver. 498grs of arrow and 58 lbs. at my draw length puts me at a safe 8.5grs per lb.
I still hold my shots to within 30 yds. Anything beyond and I'm still a bit inconsistent/mechanical. Practice, practice, practice.

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Funny that you should mension it. I have several years experience of hunting big game, upland birds, and waterfowl. All time and experience has been with firearms only. My other favorite past time hobbies are all firearm shooting related e.g. reloading, sporting clays, pistol target shooting, you get the idea Big smile

After all this I'm really looking for a new hobby and have really been looking into traditional recurve bow archery and instinctive shooting. No not the compound bow stuff. lol

I have absolutely no knowledge or experience with archery, so I'm going to read up on it then get some lessons. Oh I shot a compound bow once or twice as an early teen, but archery never really caught my interest until recently. Not really looking to bow hunt (at least not yet). I just want it as something to do for fun and enjoyment. Just target practice for enjoyment, that's all. Maybe this is something I can actually do in my own oversized large backyard! Sure beats driving 30 miles to the nearest public shooting range and paying a range fee to shoot rifles, pistols and shotguns. In fact I saw an archery range not far from where I live too. Thumbs up

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Sweet I hadn't read this one before and I too was hoping for some traditional archery chats. Last year I bought a Fred Bear Supermag 48, I love it. I had shot some long bows as a teen, just for fun no hunting. Anyways I bought my bo last year and had a 5x6 bull come in on me but the closest he came was 49 yards and I don't shoot over 30 but man bow hunting rocks. I have had buck or bull fever before but nothing like with that bull. I was affraid he was going to hear my knee shacking. I tried to stock on a bear to but he picked me up at about 60 yards. I put in for mt goat this year hope I get a tag I really want to try to get one with my bow. I look forward to more talks about doing it the hard way.

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I bow hunt and love it. It presents a challenge to get so close to game, but that is what I enjoy.

I hunt with a compound, but have a black widow recurve that I target shoot with. I just don't feel confident enough to hunt with it yet.

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This year my partner and I are going archery exclusively.
All local Washington hunts will include Elk, Deer, Black Bear, Turkey and possibly a Cougar, if the opportunity arises.

I recently bought a custom made take down recurve (Bezeliel) that throws a 2117 with a 100 or 125 very well indeed. I'm planning on using it as the primary bow and taking the compound as a back up or, if the case be, if I can't get within 20 to 30 yds.

There is some convenience to shooting bow. We have two targets set up at the shop and anytime we feel like taking a break we can walk out back and throw a few arrows. No necessity to travel although, there is a very nice Sportsmans Club about 20 minutes away with a 10yd to 100yd flat range and a 36 target walk around.
This club puts on several shoots annually. I have noticed that there is an increase in the number of traditional shooters but, the tradititional shooters are shooting right along with the compound shooters and the compound shooters have the advantage on the long shots.

The last couple of years I have noticed and increase in interest in recurve and longbow shooting.
My stepson took up with a recurve, this last year, and wants to go on the next Deer hunt. My better half is shooting a longbow and wants to go on the next Turkey hunt.
The local archery shop has stocked about a third of their bow with recurves and longbows.

Myself, I just enjoy archery. I shoot every opportunity I get.
I have a variety of bows to choose from and have a couple of favorites that I shoot regularly.
Among my favorites are the new Bezeliel (take down recurve) @ 56 lbs. This one has become the primary shooter. A Martin Savannah @ 52 lbs and a Martin Serengeti @ 52 lbs. All three bows are built with the same woods and lay up, with the exception, that the Bezeliel has a carbon core in the limbs.

It's great to see that there are others that are enjoying the sport of the tradditional bow.

If we can get up enough interest in the traditionals. We will be able to set it up so there is a separate forum for traditional shooters.

Thanks for the responses.

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I used to shoot a compound many years ago. Been primarily rifle hunting the last few years - for hogs. I recently aquired a Martin Hatfield takedown. I am learning to shoot instintively.

I am trying to shoot the recurve in the Japanese style of archery. Its kind of interesting. The focus is on form and not aim. For example, I am left handed and my shots were landing left of my "aimpoint". The book (the style is called Kyudo) recommended changing my stance, my left foot needed to be moved forward. What's fascinating is that it fixed the problem!

I think I ready to go after game with the bow. The rifle area just closed which leaves the archery only area to hunt hogs.

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I also shoot left handed. When I first started shooting traditional i had the same situation with my arrows going to the left. It was suggested to me that I move my left foot forward of my right and it corrected the sighting. Now I'm able to line them up vertically. Now, when I shoot I can concentrate on range elevation. Great stuff, this traditional shooting.

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I shoot a bear grizzly myself. Spent many years hunting with the compound and after a single season total of 18 big game kills with my Mathews SQ2 I said this is getting to easy and away from the reason I went to archery hunting only in the first place. So, I shopped ebay for awhile got educated on prices , what to look for in condition ect and finally put a bid in on an old wing recurve. Spent a year with that in the back yard experiencing the very same problem with hitting far to the right of my line of sight. Puzzling problem that typical of a compound shooter I tried to correct with aiming adjustment.

Last year i was four years into recurve shooting practice and while I could hit where I wanted with Kentucky windage, I wasn't satisfied that under the excitement of a big game animal in bow range I would blow the windage and wound the animal. So the bow didnt go and I continued with the compound for another year while practicing regularly with the recurve.

Thats when someone said to me..."open your eyes" I said what? he said open both of your eyes. So i did and wallah all that hitting way off to the right immediately went away. it took some time to learn to shoot two eyes open after 20 + years of shooting compounds one eye closed but it solved the problem entirely and in short time I killed my first boar with a trad gear.

I am now very confident out to 35 yards and shoot targets with acceptable accuracy out to 50. Funny enough once you learn to throw the arrow like you do a baseball your mind automatically adjusts the yardage for you. I find if I can focus both my eyes on a spot and maintain that focuss through my release I hit with compound like accurracy. Problem is learning how to keep that focuss draw and release in a fluid motion. Nother big mistake I was making, trying to draw and hold my bow and aim the arrow. Until I quit with that there was little hope of ever becoming proficient with a non sighted bow. These days my release occurs the instant the string contacts my cheek.

One more little tip on grip. You have to dump the old loose grip theroy we all get taught in compound shooting. Hold onto your bow firmly , your bowhand is where all your instinctive aiming occurs. Slop in the grip is slop in the hit.

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Aloha Hatracked,

You raise a couple of interesting points about instinctive shooting. One is how when you concentrate on the target, the body "automatically" ajusts the elevation for distance. The other point is the sight picture. I was explaining the instinctive shooting to a friend and he asked about my "sight picture". Trying to explain that I don't have one raised his eyebrows.

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LOL I know what you mean. I can relate I spent four years basically trying to turn my recurve into a compound bow.LOL

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hello i have been shooting instinctivly since i was a kid then i got into compounds and sold all my recurvs i have goten back into it and i now have a #of long bows and i realized what shooting a bow was all about ,i still shoot and hunt with a compound ,i just got a martin slayer extreme but nothing beets instinctive if you want a challeng, i also belong to the michigan long bow associatian /celt

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