whats your rifle?

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Sun, 2010-11-14 10:48

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jim boyd

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ECU and CVC, I do not really

ECU and CVC,

I do not really know what the MPBR is - with it dead on at 250 yards (that I am 100% positive of) I would think that out to 325 is a great estimate.

I would think that an aim and shoot philosophy with no hold over (out to 325 yards) would be appropriate knowing that I am on at 250.

I rarely worry about shooting low anyway... I always aim at the top of the deer, so a round that drifted low (assuming a broadside shot, which is not always the case) would simply fall down into the lower part of the shoulder and likely do bone / lung / heart damage.

I have never taken a deer out at 250 yards... we have shot opportunities that are that far, but I have never taken one.

With perfect conditions, which would have to include a rest on the stand or a good shooting stick - I would consider a 250 to 300 yard shot but the conditions would have to be perfect.

If I am ever presented with a trip out west, I would locate and use a 300 yard + range just so I could "know" exactly where the bullet was going to land.

Jim

Sun, 2010-11-14 13:26

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Jim, MPBR stands for Maximum

Jim,

MPBR stands for Maximum Point Blank Range. MPBR is the furthest distance you can zero your rifle for, at which your bullet is never above or below your line of sight by more than a certain amount. The idea being that you can then aim at the center of the target from the muzzle to the MPBR distance without concern for holding over.

There are calculators to help you determine the MPBR and there are some discussions about it in the reloading section I believe. I think it is Don Fischer who knows a lot about it and recommends this method of sighting in a rifle. You don't have to worry about distance and hold over as long as you don't go past your maximum distance. Just aim for the center of the animal and shoot.

Sun, 2010-11-14 13:51

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CVC, I know what MPBR range

CVC,

I know what MPBR range is - Chuck Hawkes is a great resource for this type of information - I just do not know what what the actual MPBR range is for that .308.

The point I was making is that I do know where my bullet will strike at my normal shooting range and I think that is far more important than knowing what a theoretical point of impact - or a theoretical travel path for the bullet - will be.

Again, I do believe heavily in theory - this is what leads us to explore and manage our shooting (or any other pursuit) - but I also believe very strongly in actual application... and proof!

I have written before... I am immediately dismayed when a shooter sights his rifle in at, say, 2.5" high at 100 yards and then states that he is good to go out to 356 yards, because that is what the ballistic tables tell him.

I say that if you do not really shoot at 250 - 300 yards, you have a theory about where the bullet will strike but you have no proof.

I think most shooters do not shoot at 300 yards because they do not want to prove how badly they actually will shoot.

Again, this is just one shooters viewpoint and will not necessarily immediately strike up a friendship in many circles.

Jim

Sun, 2010-11-14 14:17

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Sorry, I just misunderstood

Sorry, I just misunderstood your post. You wrote, "I think most shooters do not shoot at 300 yards because they do not want to prove how badly they actually will shoot." I think you might be right. I took a friend to the range to sight in his rifle. After shooting at 100 yards, I offered to put a target up at 200 but he declined? Why if you have an oportunity to shoot at 200 yards would you pass it up? I think you hit the nail on the head, he wasn't confident he could shoot consistently at 200 yards and might be embarrassed. I am sure he wouldn't pass a 200 yard shot in the field.

Sun, 2010-11-14 14:59

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Point taken...

CVC,

Not offended at all. No apology is required or expected.

Great discussion and one that should - hopefully - spark some interest in refining all of our skills.

Mine certainly can stand some improvement, as I am generally a poor marksman (suffer from flinching) and only through constant work do I see improvement.

I bought a .17 a few years ago for just that purpose... repetitive shooting: cheek weld, breath control, reticle on target, trigger control... and then BANG. It has helped a lot.

I think once we embrace the areas that need work - and then formulate a plan to help alleviate any shortcomings - can we address the root cause... and ultimately become better at what we are trying to accomplish.

I think you are spot on about your shooting partner.

Go to any hunt club... and offer to put a target at 250 yards and see how many can even get a decent group of say... even just 6 inches and on target.

A decent shooter should be able to shoot a 4" or so group, on target, at that range. Sometime I can do it and sometime I cannot.

Not many will take you up on it and not many (even less) will group... I know this from experience.

Jim

Sun, 2010-11-14 15:08

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Those .17s are fun guns to

Those .17s are fun guns to shoot. At my gun club, we have a 25, 50, 100, 200 and 300 yard range. You need special permission to shoot the 300, but all the others are open and you're right. I'd say that 95% or greater of the shooters do not shoot beyond the hundred yard target. This is okay with me because I can shoot the 200 and 300 without anyone else's targets up there getting in the way.

There is one guy who seems to live at the range that shoots 200 yards consistently that can put 1/2 MOA groups at that range. However, I never see him shooting 300 yards and I don't think he hunts. He just likes to shoot. He'll reload right there adjusting his load trying to find the exact combination to bring his groups in tighter. His reloading setup is pretty neat and I am impressed that he can do it at the range.

He even has a fan that he brings to cool down his barrel in between rounds. Just plugs it in and smokes a cigarette as he waits for it to cool.

Sun, 2010-11-14 15:14

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jim boyd

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Shooter

That guy is likely a stone shooter...

My suspicion is that he can shoot at 3, 4 and even 500 yards... sounds like he has the discipline to do it.

I have taken a new personal lease in SC for next year and I hope it has the pontential to become long term... all indications now are that it can.

I am going to put in a 300 yard range with a good shaded shooting bench so we can shoot in comfort - I feel we can improve our confidence and our performance by doing a little distance shooting.

I will make the bench for left and right hand shooters and will also provide a wheel chair pad, I have a handicapped hunter that will be on the lease with me next year.

Just another project in a long line of them!

Next up will be a 3-D archery range with 5-6 shooting stations...

Jim

Sun, 2010-11-14 15:41

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Yes, I am sure he can do it.

Yes, I am sure he can do it. He is anal about his loads and groups. Groups we'd be happy and proud of he isn't. Real nice guy and he gave me a tip once that is great. I was putting up store bought targets and he kind of shook his had and handed me a homemade on. It was just a piece of poster board that I now buy at wal mart for about $1.49 and make 4-6 targets out of. Just use a red marker and put little squares on it in four quads and you have four targets.

Plus, it is easier to see your bullet at long range then those fancy targets that change color when you shoot them.

Sat, 2010-11-13 22:34

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I shoot a 270 150 grain

I shoot a 270 150 grain at everything.

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Sat, 2010-11-13 22:56

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You shoot good, I see.

You shoot good, I see. Congrats on a great buck! Do you have a story posted with more pics?

Welcome to BGH!

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